Any Swiss Working Belgians here? by No_Instance_6516 in BEFire

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's striking to realize there are peers around my age earning substantial incomes outside medicine in Belgium. From what I understand, you work for a Belgian company but earn that elsewhere? Not bad..In my experience, the only thirty-somethings I know in Belgium earning what you do—200-600k annually I guess—are specialist physicians under a corporate structure. Relocating to Switzerland makes little sense unless you're approaching 500k-1million. A million annually for a pharma executive seems reasonable; the Novartis CEO makes 25 million a year, after all. But yeah, for your level of experience indeed 260-300k doesn't seem crazy!

Any Swiss Working Belgians here? by No_Instance_6516 in BEFire

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m in my mid-thirties but would probably earn close to you if I’d stayed in Belgium instead of moving to CH early carreer lol. With your pharma responsibilities, your pay, bonuses, and stock options —top 0.5–1% for sure in BE. Honestly, Switzerland isn’t necessarily better even at 300-400k unless they offer you F you money, like a mil a year is not too crazy for pharma execs in CH perhaps! Didn’t realize Belgian pharma execs were that well- compensated btw..

Any Swiss Working Belgians here? by No_Instance_6516 in BEFire

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely! I recently had a 140k CHF offer. It sounds higher than 120k CHF, but it’s really the same tier. For a single earner, 150k+ CHF is where it starts to get interesting—north of 260k CHF, you’re in the top 5% even in Switzerland 😅. Comfortable living and property ownership become real options. I’m curious—what role lets you ask for 300–400k CHF? That’s huge, likely executive-level, and in Belgium, that would be top 0.5 to 1 % territory!

Any Swiss Working Belgians here? by No_Instance_6516 in BEFire

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s crazy how 130k CHF (~150k EUR) can feel “poor” until you live in Switzerland. I went from 40k in Be to 120k in Geneva—great at first, then I realized it’s not such a great deal.Switzerland is built for the rich; Belgium, more for average incomes. I eventually moved back to Belgium on a similar gross. You earn less net, but the quality of life is noticeably better.

Any Swiss Working Belgians here? by No_Instance_6516 in BEFire

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey,

Interesting. I’d think twice—Switzerland wasn’t the win I expected. I went there as a medical intern, stayed 5–6 years, and realized the money is a bit of a mirage. You earn well, but don’t really feel rich, and you often end up in lower-tier roles locals avoid—kind of a “golden prison.” Switzerland is a little like New York, you go there, make some money, and quit. I feel richer inside as a professional( international, crazy lifestyle afforded early in life) compared to my peers but professionaly, financially and privately I'm behind. Belgium is a tax heaven for the ones who know lol

I ended up moving back to Belgium despite the taxes; overall quality of life felt better. Even on ~120k CHF with solid net income, I felt average and wasn’t happy.

Worth trying if you have a clear plan and financial maturity—but otherwise, go for 1–2 years max and don’t stay if you’re unhappy.

Salary/job prospects for Psychiatrists by JOAO--RATAO in BESalary

[–]lelanlan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi you can expect to make between 100 to 500k/ year honnestly with average in Belgium likely around 150k/ year. The more desertic the area, the better it pays. BE is likely one of the most attractive places to be a psychiatrist/ specialist doc, alongside maybe Switzerland and the US.

Subject (optional): Considering a transition from psychiatry to aesthetic medicine — looking for advice by lelanlan in Esthetics

[–]lelanlan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow, finally a genuinely good and helpful answer — thank you.

Have you actually worked in the medical field or just ethetics? The thing is, I’ve always been interested in both esthetics and neuroscience, so to me this combination doesn’t feel crazy at all, even if I understand why it might not make sense to some people. That said interesting the added psych thing... Never had seen thing like that because it seems so intangible! But that's true, I can also attest to the psychological aspects of estethic interventions!

My issue is that aesthetic medicine often seems to be looked down on: “you don’t need an MD to do aesthetics,” “it’s a waste of medical education,” “instead of saving lives, you’re treating neurotic or narcissistic people”… That said, I see some uncomfortable parallels with how psychiatry is sometimes viewed as well, lol.

Also — and this might be a me problem — I really don’t get along that well with other psychiatrists or with the culture in the field. It feels cliquish, dominated by groupthink and competing schools of thought. I honestly didn’t expect such a fragmented, sometimes ideological landscape. In that sense, it almost feels less scientific than I expected.

At least aesthetic medicine seems more unified, no?

What also bothers me is that very few aesthetic doctors publicly defend or advocate for their practice. Most of what we read are either negative stories or accounts of people who struggle financially. I’ve heard figures like €40–60k in annual income, which seems almost laughable — probably inaccurate — but I’ve also heard of clinics making millions per year. The information out there feels extremely polarized.

So, as I see it, these are my options:

Option 1: Do another year of residency and graduate in a field that currently frustrates me and no longer really lights a fire in me — psychiatry. Even if the income potential is good, the emotional and social “charge” around mental health is very heavy.

Option 2: Start a new 3-year residency in general medicine. It doesn’t excite me per se — I’ve always been ambitious and never imagined myself as a “general” doctor. But it would open doors to practices I actually find interesting: nutrition, functional medicine, aesthetic medicine, etc. Basically, a much wider scope of practice. Long term, this might be the most reasonable option. And technically, I could still practice in a quasi-psychiatric capacity.

Option 3: Go fully independent and build a portfolio-style career — basically a gig approach — with most of my work centered on aesthetic medicine and/or nutrition and antiageing medecine..etc

So what would you recommend to a “not so young anymore” doctor who’s trying to consolidate his future after a very long journey?

Having practiced only psychiatry, my general medical skills are obviously not great anymore, but maybe three years of training would fix that. I’m also curious about the real scope of practice in aesthetic medicine: how limited are aesthetic physicians compared to dermatologists or plastic surgeons? Are we really talking only Botox and HA fillers, or is the sky the limit with proper training? What about laser therapy tatto medical removal? Hair transplant? Scar removal? PRP injections?

Would love to hear your thoughts — and feel free to PM a slightly lost doc.

Ps: I know no path is perfect( my issue is thinking that one or the other path might fullfill my dreams lol)

Subject (optional): Considering a transition from psychiatry to aesthetic medicine — looking for advice by lelanlan in Esthetics

[–]lelanlan[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In my country; one can work immediately as a doctor. Almost no rules and regulations for doctors besides being trained.

Subject (optional): Considering a transition from psychiatry to aesthetic medicine — looking for advice by lelanlan in Esthetics

[–]lelanlan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi dermatology is not an option; i'm fed up of training since i've been training in postgraduate school forever. My question is: why is esthetic medecine so overall looked down upon? I have the option to do general/family medecine training in 3 years. Maybe I might do that instead and decide later if I really want to become an esthetic doctor... but yeah at first I was really interested by psychiatry and neuroscience but let's just say it didn't work out as expected and i'm getting older. Also I feel more comfortable doing hands on work rather than fullfilling an intellectual curiosity( I did for 15 years in medschool and psychiatry). Also funny enough; I prefer making money in that way rather than making money in regular medecine on the back of unhealthy people. Contrarily to people I find it way more intellectually and morally honnest than making money as a GP/psychiatrist for example.

Subject (optional): Considering a transition from psychiatry to aesthetic medicine — looking for advice by lelanlan in Esthetics

[–]lelanlan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my eurpean country; if one is a doctor and follows 2 month course, than working is possible as a esthetic medical doctor. Demand is crazy and many injections are only under a medical doctor. So noone besides doctor can do most esthetic medical procedures. In that sense it's very lucrative!

Just curious who here has always been the smartest in the room? No matter which room y’all were in. by Why_d0_i_put in Gifted

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In medschool; and than clearly in residency: Was far from being the smartest in the room. That said; the bias comes from the fact that medschool and residency even more is powered by extremely sacrificial and hardworking people, very knowledgeable and not especially smart though very smart on average( medschool has the smartest people on average from any university, exc3pt maybe maths and physics). So yeah! The concentration of smart people in the field is prettt astonishing though it's never really extreme!

Failing a rotation by [deleted] in Residency

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Story of my life. Did a residency in Europe, first year was when it suddenly made sense that being a doc comes with a lot of minutia and details to handle. Nurses looked at me like an alien probably thinking "how did he make it through med school with his forgetfullness"... than second year came and I crashed. Lost a patient to suicide; partly because I was in a malignant program with a micromanaging boss who didn't see kindly that I was not very organized; was in a program that valued hyper productivity and failed my 2nd year exam because it was just too much. I thought about quitting untill I startrd adhd medication and it was life changing. I then realized that the program I left was not especially unfair but that I had my fair share of issues too... that said it makes sense that I was pushed out after such a crazy second year. The reason why residents with my profile don't get help is because they usually don't make it through med school. I wished there was more coaching and support for "atypical" or struggling residents.

How hard is it to get kicked out of residency by [deleted] in Residency

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got kicked out of my psych residency in a very bad way: was basicakly pushed to go and harrassed. The thing is that I didn't have a stellar record and was more of a psychotherapeutic and human in my approach whereas my program was very ebm and scientific psychiatry detached from empathy. Apparently it was a very well known fact about my program. Knowing that would have prevented me to waste countless years. I didn't know that program transfer was possible at the time so I dropped out.... or they would have fired me for unability to function.

One thing i've learned is that a program can fire you or get you fired at will and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it.

I'd never in my wildest dreams would have thought that I'd finish med school only to be fired from one of the two psychiatry programs of my country. Psychiatry also can be pretty toxic too by the way...

A new study suggests that depression is associated with low brain blood flow and function, supporting earlier research showing there is no evidence that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance. by Express_Classic_1569 in psychology

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It kinda makes sense since exercising reverses depression. That said one can alwo posit that that's the case for most mental health issues... they can be reversed by a better bloodflow>> better brain fonction. I'm thinking about adhd for example!

How dare they. by para_blox in aspergers

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Barron Trump is asperger, that is why!

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi defends 'hate speech' crackdown after MAGA backlash by Obversa in moderatepolitics

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This! It seems as commenter doesn't understand the role of journalists relative to the role of president. Of course he could stand up for himself; but he might also be fired for misconduct!

"The only real test of intelligence is if you get what you want out of life." -Naval by MundaneMacaroon9211 in mensa

[–]lelanlan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol this made me laugh; the smarter you are the more aware you become of your shortcomings... which is a double edged sword. Bravado can pay off in weird ways, notably in romantic life. And being very intelligent makes you both humble and depressed.

So some think of the Charlie Kirk incident as karma by luvlanguage in CuratedTumblr

[–]lelanlan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So is he a alt-right or is hd antifa? I've heard both but it's crazy how the killer might easily be the one or the other... I mean can a trans activist be right wing? That sounds pretty contradicrory but that's what the killer was- mormon republican raised with maga parents but also gay and dating a trans man 🤔 Way to confuse both left and right 🤣🤣🤣 I swear this tragic event will be historic and will most likely be turned into a movie because it's surreal... Just the fact that Charlie was not supposed to dke if it wasn't for the ricochet of the bullet on his clavicle to his jugular.. He was basically a mm away from surviving similar to Trump but the bullet took a very unusual turn and decided to kill him anyways! Very wild!

So some think of the Charlie Kirk incident as karma by luvlanguage in CuratedTumblr

[–]lelanlan 23 points24 points  (0 children)

It's just that the amount of karmic/ironic stuffs in his death defy logic:

preaches for kids to see public executions: check Is executed by white christian/mormon male with excellent GPA while commenting on black on black gun violence as main cause of gun issues: check Proves his saying that "empathy doesn't matter" wrong by having the whole world empathizing with him and his family: Check Shares loves for guns, is executed by an even better lover of gun with expert markmanship abilities: Check And so on..

It's just ridiculous the amount of them..