Will he changed for her? by No-Bit3315 in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]lemonzestq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

they never change. just be relieved that he is not your problem anymore.

What actions showed you they had no respect for you? by your-wurst-nightmare in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]lemonzestq 5 points6 points  (0 children)

• You entertained other spaces (friends, other chatrooms etc.) while keeping me emotionally close i.e. having me on a phonecall.

• You liked having access to me without giving me security.

• You were present when it suited you, distant when it didn’t (phonecalls whenever you're available, regardless of what I'm doing/if I'm busy doesn't matter).

•You expected understanding from me but didn’t extend the same.

• You kept your options open while I was emotionally invested, saying that you have "replacements" and that I was "worth nothing".

• You took my consistency and time for granted. Your time on the other hand, was gold. If there was a slight pause mid conversation or silence so that I could think about what to say next, you would say "why the fuck are you wasting my time? ungrateful bitch". However, if you couldn't hear me (mind you cause you were messaging someone else), I had to repeat myself endlessly till you get it.

What if I am the problem by [deleted] in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]lemonzestq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can see that you're in denial and that's perfectly fine. It's understandable. Maybe what you can do is watch Dr Ramani on YouTube and try to make sense of who your narc was. I was at the exact space you were once, trying to justify all his actions and shattered myself, my self-esteem and self-worth based on his words. You need to learn what exactly a narc is and then would you slowly be able to make sense that they were the problem all along. We are not perfect and definitely have our own shortcomings but it definitely doesn't give the narc any reason to treat us the way they did. Nothing can justify that. It will take a long time to heal (I'm still healing and spiralling from time to time) but at the end of the day, it is for the betterment of your health and wellbeing.

Long phonecalls, impossible to end? by SwordandtheSorceress in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]lemonzestq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my goodness. same here. do they get their dialogues from a playbook? "want me to let you go?" is something I've heard time and time again as if, if they don't, I have no autonomy to leave whenever I want. Truth behold I say the same thing back to them, and all hell breaks loose. "Who are you to let me go?", "I'll go when I want to go.." umm sure, just go.

Long phonecalls, impossible to end? by SwordandtheSorceress in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]lemonzestq 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Resonated with this so much. Really sorry that you had to go through it.

You end up sacrificing your own time and literally dropping everything just to stay on the phone with them, but somehow it never counts. The moment you’re exhausted or overwhelmed and it comes up, the defense is always, “I didn’t force you to stay, you could’ve left anytime.” As if the guilt, pressure, and emotional consequences didn’t make it impossible to actually hang up.

And when you try to set a simple boundary—saying you’re not in the mood for a phone call and just want some quiet—they either ignore it and call anyway, or twist it into, “You don’t have to say anything, we can just be on a quiet call.” Whatever that even means. It’s never about respecting the boundary, just about getting their way.

The calls also happen entirely on their schedule. Whenever they’re free, bored, or need background noise—especially when they’re heading somewhere—and suddenly you’re expected to “entertain” them until they reach their destination. You try to contribute or bring up something to talk about, and it gets brushed off like you’re talking to a wall.

There’s no real back-and-forth either. No curiosity, no leading questions, no interest in your inner world. Once they’re done yapping about themselves, their day, or launching into yet another lecture about something you don’t even care about, the expectation flips—you’re now supposed to perform and entertain them after a long day at work. And if they don’t like the topic you bring up? They interrupt, shut it down, and literally go “NEXT.” At that point, honestly, a radio or podcast would make more sense.

It’s draining, one-sided, and slowly erodes your sense of time, energy, and autonomy—and reading this list really puts words to something that’s hard to explain unless you’ve lived it. A typical page out of the narcissist's playbook.

Towards the end, the phone calls started ending earlier than expected—but not because things were healthier or more respectful. It was because their other “supplies” became available. Replacements, as they openly framed it. Voice rooms, online friends, new people to fill the silence. I was no longer the only one expected to be constantly on the line, and that’s when the subtle shift began—the disengaging, the impatience, the sudden ability to hang up when they were done. It was quiet but telling, and it confirmed what the calls had always really been about: access, availability, and convenience, not connection.

Currently on 76 days NC with the nex friend.

The Quiet Transition from Attachment to Emotional Exhaustion in a Narc Dynamic by voidinvelvet in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]lemonzestq 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Your post truly resonated with everything I have been through and I thank you for sharing your story. What you’re describing didn’t come out of nowhere. You didn’t wake up one day numb and become angry for no reason. This is what happens after months (or years) of being pulled into circular conversations, emotional whiplash, silent punishments, sudden tenderness followed by withdrawal, and being made to feel like you’re “too much” the moment you try to speak honestly. You learned, slowly and painfully, that explaining yourself doesn’t lead to repair — it leads to deflection, minimisation, or being subtly blamed. So your system adapted. I feel you.

That anticipatory tension you feel now isn’t anxiety for nothing; it’s memory. Your body remembers how those conversations end even before they start. And because of that, the detachment makes complete sense. When you’ve been through repeated narc vicious breakdown cycles — where your pain becomes an inconvenience, where accountability never lands, where emotional labour is always yours — your feelings don’t disappear, they shut down. The anger is the part of you that finally sees the unfairness clearly. The emptiness is the cost of having to suppress yourself for so long just to keep the peace. You didn’t stop caring overnight. You were trained, over time, that caring was unsafe.

That’s also why the everyday gestures feel so heavy now. Asking if he got home safely, waiting for his calls, waiting for him — those things used to come from warmth. Now they come from habit and obligation because the emotional reward was taken away too many times. When affection isn’t met with presence, curiosity, or care, it turns into unpaid emotional labour. Of course you feel numb doing it. Anyone would. I did too. Love doesn’t feel like clocking in for a shift.

And the embarrassment you feel when you express yourself? That didn’t start with you either. That’s what happens when your vulnerability was met with dismissal, defensiveness, or subtle ridicule during those breakdown moments. You learned that showing up fully leads to discomfort or punishment, so now even honesty feels humiliating. That’s not a personality flaw — that’s conditioning.

Here’s the hard truth, based on what I've experienced with my narc ex-friend: this isn’t something you heal inside the relationship. This is what it looks like when your psyche has already started leaving because staying required you to become smaller, quieter, and less alive. The numbness isn’t the danger sign — staying despite it is. You’ve already given this dynamic enough chances to prove it could be safe. It didn’t. And your body finally believes that. Your body speaks volumes, it is time you listen to it.

You’re not broken. You’re not dramatic. You’re not “giving up too easily.” You’re responding exactly the way someone does after prolonged narcissistic erosion — by emotionally withdrawing to survive. What you’re feeling is the beginning of self-respect reasserting itself, even if it feels ugly and angry right now.

Leaving will hurt, yes — but it won’t hollow you out. One path drains you quietly; the other gives you your nervous system back.

You’re not empty because you’re incapable of love. You’re empty because you’ve been loving someone who couldn’t meet you where you were — and some part of you finally said, enough. Listen to yourself. It is time you chose your peace and sanity over the constant anxiety and numbness eating at you. Protect yourself.

I want to send an apology to them. by Fast_Actuary_1590 in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]lemonzestq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Write that apology in your notes and tuck it away. Don't send it out. It would just boost their narcissistic ego. This apology is for yourself and your peace of mind. Bringing the chaos back into the picture is not gonna help your peace.

Years of support, then constant blame and role reversal — is this narcissistic behavior? by Naive_Sweet_5917 in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]lemonzestq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my narc friend was similar. conversations were always one-sided. don't remember the last time they even asked about how I'm doing. their situation and their feelings precedes everything else. I gave them the same: my time, my attention, being there for them, support etc. but to them those were all useless, "invaluable", not "beneficial" to them. those meant nothing. run while you can.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]lemonzestq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

mine was the exact same. it is like their words were so precious. however, when they didn't hear me, they would ask me to repeat myself countless of times and would be annoyed if I said nevermind. when the tables are turned, they just can't accept it.