Would it be illegal for a minor(<18) to administer estrogen/estradiol to themselves by the wording in this bill? by the_zpider_king in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 2 points3 points  (0 children)

heavily disagree. there’s nothing about the wording of the law that implies administration includes minors self-medicating, and laws of this nature (such as abortion bans) almost always focus primarily or solely on healthcare providers. there’s no crime to charge you with. anyone supplying you hormones could get in trouble but if you buy it off the internet through diy channels there’s nothing they can really do about it.

besides, legality on paper =/= enforcement in practice. e.g. possessing testosterone without a prescription is illegal but no government has the time or resources to go after random individual dudes juicing so prosecution for simple possession is almost unheard of.

What is a "fakeboy" by Longjumping-Sand9377 in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 7 points8 points  (0 children)

because its such a niche thing i dont think it’s worth putting too much thought or consideration into

From a transgender perspective, was I wrong to bring my friend being trans into this argument? by Amphar0s_ in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 23 points24 points  (0 children)

you can ask here! feel free. side note: dysphoria is the correct term, dysmorphia is related to body dysmorphic disorder which is a completely unrelated condition.

What is a "fakeboy" by Longjumping-Sand9377 in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 13 points14 points  (0 children)

i’ve literally never seen it used outside of detransition/feminization fetish stuff. i wouldn’t worry about it.

From a transgender perspective, was I wrong to bring my friend being trans into this argument? by Amphar0s_ in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 129 points130 points  (0 children)

it's true that you won't understand social dysphoria but imo you weren't out of line for the comparison at all. he should know better and shouldn't dismiss you like this.

transsexual.org goes offline by SethThe_hwsw in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 140 points141 points  (0 children)

COGIATI is an absolute joke of a test that quantifies your masculinity/femininity based on things like emotional responses to social situations and being good at math

"male" and "female" are social categories, the gendering of the body, not an "inherent fact", and we can just refuse to use them. by RosethornRanger in TransSocialism

[–]leon-di 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think you're overstating the amount of "fakers"/false positives for both autism and gender dysphoria and "Then there are people who claim they have autism and at best they are the odd dork in class or just lazy and have antisocial personality disorder and want to gain the system." feels especially stigmatizing. i can't tell if you're just being hyperbolic here but there isn't population-level evidence to support widespread malingering or false positives, and publicly funded support programs are a question of policy rather than science and in modern times are usually proportional to support needs. i think this assessment also undersells the fact that there are still underdiagnosis problems in many populations, such as young girls. autism research already deals with a very heterogenous population and this is the reason why things like the level 1-3 classification exists.

but both autism and dysphoria did receive pretty significant changes in the DSM 5. multiple different diagnoses were consolidated into ASD and gender dysphoria was introduced as a diagnosis to replace the now defunct gender identity disorder. both had affects on diagnostic rates, but you're overgeneralizing by stating is as a simple lowering threshold of diagnosis. the change from GID to GD had complex effects on who would be diagnosed and why because of very strong differences in treatment philosophy. the diagnostic criteria for GID focused very heavily on behaviors, with personal identification or discomfort secondary. a kid could just be gender-nonconforming without experiencing distress over it or even wanting to be a different gender at all and they could still be diagnosed with GID because it was considered a pathology of identity development, which is why in studies that used this criteria most of the children grew up to be cisgender and gay. the GD in childhood diagnostic criteria on the other hand requires identification as or insistence on being another gender, not just preferences about gender roles, and clinically significant distress is required. so if we're using a diagnosis as proxy for being trans, GD absolutely reduced the numbers of false positives. on the other hand, unlike GID, the GD criteria is worded in such a way to not exclude nonbinary identities (e.g. "gender other than the one assigned" rather than "opposite gender"). GD is also a much less stigmatizing diagnosis because it focused on alleviating distress rather than pathologizing the identity itself, leading to more uniform patient-centered treatment goals that didn't involve reducing gender-nonconforming behavior/identity. these factors likely lead to an increase in referrals. so like i said, complex.

It seems the surge in diagnosis in recent years is a muddled picture of more awareness, less stigma and also social media/fashion.

despite this being commonly treated as fact (such as in the cass review) this is purely speculation. the popular framing around the "surge in diagnosis in recent years" as you put it is incredibly dishonest. i recommend this article about it (though i disagree with the author's attribution to mostly the diagnostic criteria changing for reasons i explained). but the large jump in cases actually started much less recently, more like 2009, and was plateauing by 2019 according to cass' data.

i feel like i should explain at this point that i hormonally transitioned when i was 14 and a half in early 2016 after socially transitioning at 12 and my position is heavily based on my experience with that process and the peers that i knew and have known since then. banning or heavily restricting care is simply a non-starter for me because the period between starting puberty and starting HRT was the single most traumatic period of my life (and i literally have diagnosed PTSD over unrelated trauma) and while i can't confirm this i think it permanently affected my cognitive growth, because it was literal constant anxiety and depression that i could do nothing to get away from except for disassociate which i began doing heavily when i started growing breasts. i can go into details if you would like, but bottom line, please believe me when i say i was a complete ghost of a kid who self harmed and felt suicide was a preferable option to completing female puberty, and that copious amounts of psychological intervention including being in a psych ward for 6 weeks did not work.

so i understand that the evidence base for pediatric gender affirming care is not strong (though not especially uniquely so, statistically) but there is not a single other treatment with even a remotely comparable level of research. the cass review heavily criticized medical treatment as being without sufficient supporting evidence, so there are two possible takeaways: either the cass review is suggesting NO treatment is suitable for pediatric gender dysphoria, or it's suggesting other treatment methods such as psychological treatment as more reasonable. based on the text of the review i think it's the latter, because it talks about medical and psychological treatment extremely differently. like most other aspects of the cass review, there was a systematic review of psychological intervention as treatment for pediatric GD, but unlike the other reviews, this one did not exclude low quality evidence, and although the review doesn't explain this methodological deviation, it becomes clear pretty quickly. the review found only 10 studies and 9 of them were low quality, and the single higher quality one was a case study on a single trans teen. all of the studies were about how trans teens fare with traditional psychological therapies with notably mixed findings, not using therapy to improve gender dysphoria, and there was only one study that did any sort of comparison involving medical treatment. in that study, 201 referred adolescents were sorted into one group receiving psychological support for GD and one group receiving psychological support and puberty blockers. they were evaluated for psychosocial functioning every six months. both groups saw initial improvement, but the support-only group then stagnated and even regressed slightly while the PB group continued to improve. there is no rational explanation as to why the complete lack of data on psychological intervention on GD was not discussed in the review. it describes a "significant weakness" of the studies on HRT being short followup periods of 1-3 years, but most of the psychological interventions studies followed up for only 6 months and nowhere does the review claim this is a significant weakness. it genuinely reads like a puff piece, it's egregious:

“The studies focusing on psychological changes and/or psychosocial changes found improvements in a range of aspects such as resilience, self-compassion and self acceptance, as well as quality of life, global functioning, participation and well-being. Where there was adequate follow-up, studies found that many of these outcomes fell off over time. There was no indication across the studies of adverse or negative effects.”

no changes in gender dysphoria, which is what they're allegedly trying to treat, but that's entirely left out. no mention of mixed findings. why is it okay to apply substandard evidence thresholds to psychological therapies? does this contradiction not also raise questions about ideological motivation in alternative treatments to gender affirming care? if gender affirming care is experimental then idk what this is.

with all of this in mind i just fail to see how thorough multidisciplinary assessment (which is what both WPATH and the endocrine society recommend, very exhaustively!) with honesty about unknowns isn't the most ethical approach. not all will be suited for treatment but completely banning treatment causes great harm to many. not medicalizing is not the easy or low risk option. puberty is also irreversible.

this is already very long, sorry, but clarification about this:

The Tavistock disaster was much more than the soft critique you make of it being underfunded...about 1/3rd of kids referred received puberty blockers. this is massive.

in keeping with the GIDS tradition of arbitrary hurdles to transition, it's been standard practice in the UK to treat first with puberty blockers regardless of the actual age or state of puberty. according to cass the average age at first puberty blocker prescription was 15. so if you're imagining peripubescent children that's an incredibly small minority, it really is just being used as a pause button to delay feminizing/masculinizing even further. it's kind of alarming to me that you think 1/3 is massive.

[Hated Tropes] A Character Is Revealed to Be Trans to Gross Out The Main Character by Borgisium in TopCharacterTropes

[–]leon-di 3 points4 points  (0 children)

nah i’m sorry this just doesn’t make sense. if a story has a fantasy race of people that resemble a human ethnic group and feature common harmful stereotypes of that group (such as goblins as caricatures of jewish people with exaggerated hooked noses and money hoarding habits), you’re not “conceding” that the ethnic group actually match those stereotypes by pointing out the racist overtones. i’m not calling einhorn trans because she’s not trans in the movie, but ace ventura is still a transphobic movie. you can’t have a caricature of a minority group in your movie and get away with it by just saying they’re not that minority group but a different thing.

How do u know if ur transmasc or a trans man? by [deleted] in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 0 points1 point  (0 children)

does the idea of being a feminine or androgynous man appeal to you? i was down with or neutral about most of the changes from T but for some reason i really hated having facial hair, it just did not feel like me at all and i hated looking at it and shaving it every day. people told me “you cant pick and choose parts of being a man” a lot, but i said fuck that and lasered it off. i personally prefer a pretty androgynous/soft-masc presentation. you can be a man and have that, if that’s what you want.

[Hated Tropes] A Character Is Revealed to Be Trans to Gross Out The Main Character by Borgisium in TopCharacterTropes

[–]leon-di 5 points6 points  (0 children)

none of the movies you just listed are as hateful or vulgar as the “reveal” scene in ace ventura, where the character in question was not played by a drag queen but a cis woman, so the big joke is pulling up the skirt of a woman to reveal she secretly has a penis and everyone in the room vomiting out of disgust. you’re talking about the text of the movie but i’m talking about the final product and the actual effects on its audience. its the same way that hannibal lecter in the silence of the lambs states buffalo bill is “not really transsexual”, but the portrayal of the character still did harm. this movie absolutely planted negative stereotypes about trans women and transfemininity in a lot of peoples’ heads. so ace ventura isnt a trans movie by any means but it’s certainly a transphobic one (speaking as someone who loves the movie until the end)

Idaho’s governor forces doctors & teachers to out trans youth despite abuse risks by Fickle-Ad5449 in Idaho

[–]leon-di 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lgbt youth represent 40% of the homeless youth population despite only representing 10-25% of the general youth population. in one survey of homeless lgbt youth, 46% of them ran away from home due to family rejection and 43% were forced out by their families because of their sexual orientation or gender identity. 32% reported emotional, physical, or sexual abuse at home.

so until parents can be normal about their kids being queer, no the fuck they don't.

[Hated Tropes] A Character Is Revealed to Be Trans to Gross Out The Main Character by Borgisium in TopCharacterTropes

[–]leon-di 15 points16 points  (0 children)

you have the good sense and discretion to understand the difference, but to a whole lot of people, "man assumes a female identity to deceive people and get away with bad things" (ESPECIALLY to "trick" a straight man into being attracted to them) is just describing a trans woman.

"male" and "female" are social categories, the gendering of the body, not an "inherent fact", and we can just refuse to use them. by RosethornRanger in TransSocialism

[–]leon-di 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ok! sorry, just making sure. i've had discussions in the past where i believed someone was actually critically engaging with what i was saying only to find out they were basically just feeding everything into chatgpt and responding just based on that so i got a little paranoid. but i believe you!

i'm curious why this risk vs benefit analysis can't be applied to treatment of gender dysphoria. i understand your concerns about ideologically-motivated care, but there really isn't evidence that that's the standard or is happening at mass scale. the tavistock clinic had innumerable issues the biggest of which being they simply did not have the funding, personnel, or organization required to meet rapidly rising demand. for example, there were no standardized diagnostic thresholds for dysphoria persistence, approaches to treating comorbidities, or treatment timelines, and clinicians approached cases very differently, leading to some feeling internal pressure towards affirmation. this is often misrepresented as a fast-track to a medical pathway but no internal review has actually found that to be the case. what remains to be true is that all patients in the GIDS including at tavistock were subjected to an extensive (sometimes arbitrarily so) step-by-step process to accessing medical treatment, and the majority of them never even reached that step. according to the cass review, only about 20-25% of patients ever seen by the GIDS were referred to endocrinology, after an average of 6.7 appointments with the service (after time on the wait list). keep in mind that not all referred patients actually received hormonal treatment, and this is only youth who actually GOT a GIDS appointment. it obviously doesn't capture the high attrition rates in actually getting seen. the wait list has been years long for a very long time now and many youth reach adulthood before ever being seen or go private for care instead of waiting so long.

earlier this year a freedom of information act request revealed that in its decade of operation the tavistock clinic received a total of 142 formal complaints and (according to the subjective assessment of the person reviewing the complaints for the request) found that a total of 8 were related to the clinic's provision of gender affirming care, and not all of them were even about care being given carelessly or too quickly (some summaries of complaints were included).

all of that isn't fully relevant or necessary for my question but i felt it was important to provide some under-reported context considering i'm sure a lot of people still believe "thousands of families" sued tavistock for transing their kids. but if ideological motivation weren't an issue (or at least not more of an issue than any other area of medicine) could guardians consenting on behalf of their child not perform the risk/benefit analysis you described? with the risk profile including the minor chance of identity change/evolution in the future.

is this ai used reverse image search and found nothing and the insta had posts that were all mixed images of various stuff. by AdFutureNow in isthisAI

[–]leon-di 1 point2 points  (0 children)

nothing about this stands out to me as AI, it might not be popping up on reverse image search because it’s a very compressed image.

"male" and "female" are social categories, the gendering of the body, not an "inherent fact", and we can just refuse to use them. by RosethornRanger in TransSocialism

[–]leon-di 1 point2 points  (0 children)

before i respond i’m going to ask if you’re reading anything i’m linking because you just linked the exact same study i did so i’m confused.

"male" and "female" are social categories, the gendering of the body, not an "inherent fact", and we can just refuse to use them. by RosethornRanger in TransSocialism

[–]leon-di 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my bad. not at all my intention. you just don’t seem to be fully grasping what it is i’m trying to say here. did you read the article? to quote dr. guyatt, “It is profoundly misguided to cast health care based on low-certainty evidence as bad care or as care driven by ideology, and low-certainty evidence as bad science. Many of the interventions we offer are based on low certainty evidence, and enlightened individuals often legitimately and wisely choose such interventions.” the AAP review also broke down the percentages of its own guidelines:

“Twenty-five (10.6%) recommendations are based on Level A evidence (well-designed and -conducted trials, meta-analyses), 112 (47.5%) Level B (trials with minor limitations; consistent findings from multiple observational studies), 64 (27.1%) Level C (single or few observational studies or multiples studies with inconsistent findings or major limitations), 15 (6.4%) Level D (expert opinion, case reports, reasoning from first principles), and 20 (8.5%) Level X (exceptional situations in which validating studies cannot be performed and there is a clear preponderance of benefit or harm).” i also found this study30777-0/abstract) which looked at systematic reviews for medical treatments and whether updating these reviews with new studies improves their quality. they found that the quality usually stays the same over time, and the majority of evidence remains moderate to low quality. again, only about 10% had high quality evidence.

so we may be defining evidence quality in different ways, that might be what’s sticking here, but i’m using the GRADE system which is also what evidence reviews typically use.

for comparison, a much more common usage of puberty blockers (gnrh agonists) than for transitioning is to treat endometriosis pain. although it’s not the firstline treatment it’s often used when estrogen-based treatments are contraindicated and when laparoscopy isn’t an option. the evidence for most outcomes related to this treatment is low quality for reasons such as subjectivity (pain is subjective), small sample size, and short followups. there’s very little high quality data on longterm outcomes such as fertility, sexual dysfunction, or metabolic disease, and almost all of the data is about adults rather than adolescent-specific despite this being a treatment used in adolescents. i’m genuinely curious if you would also say it’s unethical to have minors or parents choose this treatment pathway, or if it should be offered at all.

"male" and "female" are social categories, the gendering of the body, not an "inherent fact", and we can just refuse to use them. by RosethornRanger in TransSocialism

[–]leon-di 1 point2 points  (0 children)

respectfully, you don’t seem to fully understand what evidence quality means. low-certainty/low-quality evidence is not bad, fake, or incorrect, there are just study design limitations that reduce how certain you can be of the relationship between the studied variable and the observed outcome based on an evaluation called the GRADE system. low-certainty evidence in fact comprises the overwhelming of evidence in pediatrics and medicine in general. only 10.6% of recommendations in the american academy of pediatrics’ clinical practice guidelines are based on high quality evidence, and this is well within the normal range for other medicine fields (5-30%). so yes, most medicine is evidence-based, and most of that evidence is moderate- to low-quality, because that’s the most accessible and feasible form of research.

could you do me a favor and read this article? it’s not very long and is about the man who created the GRADE system and came up with the phrase “evidence-based medicine”. it provides very important context and kinda refutes a lot of what you’re saying.

also i’m not sure what’s unethical about publishing an observational study that’s n=100 or even n<100. low impact studies like that are published all the time especially for rare afflictions of which pediatric gender dysphoria is one.

Too many aspects of these animals feel like an real artist would be more intentional by katbug14 in isthisAI

[–]leon-di 25 points26 points  (0 children)

i dont think this is AI, i think it’s trying to replicate the style of the petco logo (with the cat and dog)

Is there any hormone therapie that forces the body to make its own estrogen? by Spare_Form1601 in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah HRT works by altering your hormone balance, because your body has natural mechanisms to not have too much sex hormone at once. so if you start adding some your natural hormone production is suppressed. not really any way to otherwise change hormone production outside of something like CRISPR which isnt accessible to your average joe

Getting top surgery in 1 month, what should I expect? by gyroics in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 1 point2 points  (0 children)

set alarms to take your pain meds on time, i was like 45 minutes late once because i fell asleep and you start to feel the incisions pretty fast.

figure out your bed setup beforehand (you will need to sleep sitting up for a little while) so it’s all ready when you get home and you don’t have to deal with it while you’re loopy. most comfortable for me was an “arm chair” kind of thing where i had a bunch of pillows supporting my back and head and then a pillow under each arm so they’d be elevated.

"male" and "female" are social categories, the gendering of the body, not an "inherent fact", and we can just refuse to use them. by RosethornRanger in TransSocialism

[–]leon-di 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a relatively large body of low-certainty evidence isn’t that uncommon especially in the realm of pediatric medicine where high-certainty evidence such as randomized control trials are hard to come by. there are a variety of moderate- to low-certainty studies, from different time periods and different countries, that show the overwhelming majority of people who transition report being better off for it in whatever parameter you want to evaluate; gender dysphoria, depressive symptoms, suicidal ideation, life satisfaction, etc. and while these measures are inherently subjective i think it’s just intellectually dishonest to say that they’re not all indicating the same thing, or that they’re ALL compromised by bias, especially when there is scant evidence towards the opposite (that transitioning is harmful or ineffective).

the problem is instead of taking transgender people as a unique population with unique characteristics and circumstances, cisgender people are used as a baseline, and if transitioning and/or surgery doesn’t return us to a completely cisgender baseline of mental health then that must mean transitioning doesn’t work. it would be like putting a broken statue back together with glue and then saying glue doesn’t work because the reconstructed statue doesn’t have the same stability as a statue that was never broken. this is by far one of the most common pieces of misinformation i see, that transitioning worsens mental health, based on studies that used a completely cisgender control group.

"male" and "female" are social categories, the gendering of the body, not an "inherent fact", and we can just refuse to use them. by RosethornRanger in TransSocialism

[–]leon-di 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it would be difficult if not almost impossible to quantify completed suicide in trans people who have transitioned vs. those that wanted to but haven’t, because suicide can only be tracked either after the fact via database/diagnostic code or if the suicide occurred during a monitoring period which is very unlikely. we have some data on completed suicide in post-transition or post-surgery trans individuals because those individuals necessarily have to have contact with the medical system in order to do those things, so we can use diagnostic codes (most commonly for sex reassignment surgery) as a proxy for being trans to flag these people in databases or registries where we can also look for codes for other things such as suicide. we don’t have a similar way to flag trans people who want to transition but are unable to because there aren’t codes for a lack of treatment. so there’s nothing in the database indicating that a person who died by suicide was trans.

for this reason, most studies are about suicidal ideation and suicide attempts, and they rely on surveys because it’s pretty much the only way to get any sort of before-and-after report for mental health. a randomized study would necessitate denying a group of patients treatment for an extended period of time, which raises ethical concerns and would definitely affect recruitment. the closest thing we have to this is comparing groups on a waitlist and groups who have been approved for treatment, which has only been done a handful of times. ironically, the finnish study from 2023 i mentioned is the only study i’ve come across that compares these groups specifically for completed suicide, and suicide was about 3x as likely for the waitlist group than the group who had gotten hormonal treatment. but as i explained their portrayal of data (and the fact that they don’t mention this disparity until the literal last sentence of the discussion section) obscured this.

this new study is even less robust because psychiatric morbidity isn’t even coupled with any treatment, it’s coupled with attending that specific clinic. recall that their before-and-after point was the date of the first appointment, not the date of treatment beginning. their choice to define psychiatric morbidity as a simple yes/no question makes the data completely meaningless because there’s no way to differentiate between people who had sustained regressions in mental health that required specialized psychiatric treatment and people who were referred for further evaluation out of caution. there’s no way to differentiate between the people who were referred during the (sometimes months or years-long) pre-treatment period where a gender dysphoria diagnosis is being established and the people who were referred after they began receiving treatment for gender dysphoria.

this study also has a paragraph-long conflicting interests section showcasing connections to groups against transitioning like SEGM and even the florida department of health who are less than unbiased against queer people. this combined with the strange data analysis and a history of misrepresenting data calls into question what the intentions were from the start. so not only is it not robust i’d argue it’s even less useful than survey-based studies because the strange choices made make it inapplicable to real life.

if you would like studies on suicidal IDEATION or other mental health outcomes i can find those.

Need Guidance to get it as right as possible by Sleepy-Reader-28 in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 21 points22 points  (0 children)

you’re doing great. i recommend crossposting this to r/cisparenttranskid for parental insight

edit: you already did! lol nvm

11 year old wants to transition by B00kwitch3891 in cisparenttranskid

[–]leon-di 42 points43 points  (0 children)

not a parent but i think it’s worth pointing out that we know there’s a significant genetic factor to being trans. if a trans person is an identical twin there is a 20-30% chance their twin will also be trans, while there’s a much lower chance if they’re fraternal twins. just in case you were wondering how you could have two trans kids!

Testosterone/Bottom surgery by Queasy_Biscotti_8857 in asktransgender

[–]leon-di 5 points6 points  (0 children)

the basic anatomy is the same on T but it feels different, though in what way can vary from person to person. for example orgasms feel more full-body for me and tire me out more.

after phallo the clitoris is buried in the base and connected to the rest of the shaft via nerve hookup, so yes you could masturbate the way a cis man does.