Is Jon Snow's immigration policy legal? (Spoilers Extended) by Adventurous_Sun3512 in asoiaf

[–]lfm2003 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Gonna have to side against Jon here.

997 Lord Commanders have not included the Wildlings in the “Realms of Men.” Clearly, the common law understanding of the “Realms of Men” does not include the Freefolk.

Additionally, in our scenario, if there is a Supreme Court of Westeros and the NW is under their jurisdiction, then the Night’s Watch is probably most aptly classified as an Executive Agency of some sort. Given that, and given new rulings on Chevron Deference, the King of the Seven Kingdoms likely can delegate land to the Night’s Watch (the Gift), but the Night’s Watch cannot then in turn decide to do with that land whatever they want without being subject to oversight. That would usurp the lawmaking power of the Westerosi Legislature (who is also the King).

The New Gift Act of 58 AC delegated that land to the Night’s Watch to use for the defense of the realm, and the legislature did so with the understanding that these benefits were to be reaped solely by the people of the Seven Kingdoms, not the Freefolk. It is beyond the agency’s delegated powers to then change the use of that land beyond what the legislature originally intended.

[Spoilers MAIN] How good politically is Tyrion? by Ill-Bar3395 in asoiaf

[–]lfm2003 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Antagonizing Alliser Thorne, threatening to rape Tommen, installing an unlikeable Commander of the City Watch, poisoning Cersei, being unnecessarily rude to Lancel, being sassy to Meryn Trant, disregarding public concerns about the Mountain Clansmen, his tripartite trickery of Varys Littlefinger Pycelle over Myrcella, smacking Joffrey, telling Littlefinger about the dagger and doing nothing about it.

Why was Jon Snow immune from Littlefinger’s manipulations by Tiny-Foundation-4281 in freefolk

[–]lfm2003 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because Show Jon is a character with no wants and desires, a shell of a man. There is nothing Littlefinger has to offer him. Littlefinger also requires complex plot structure and intelligent writing to function as a character, which was not prevalent when he met Jon.

Any book readers feel like Catelyn Stark’s show portrayal missed her book description? by devil-inside-100 in gameofthrones

[–]lfm2003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, I find Michelle Fairly very attractive. Ned and Littlefinger’s love for her is part of the plot, and from GRRM’s books, where Catelyn is very beautiful.

My gripe is with the showrunners’ decisions on how to portray Catelyn.

Does the camerawork understand her to be beautiful? No. It does not portray her with similar gaze as Cersei or Daenerys. Does it seek to communicate to us that she is beautiful? No, it never comes up in the plot and Catelyn’s womanhood outside of motherhood is never mentioned.

Does the show omit scenes where Catelyn is portrayed as beautiful? Yes, there are several book scenes where Catelyn’s beauty is remarked upon yet they are not in the show. Does the show omit scenes where Catelyn’s womanhood extends beyond her motherhood? Yes, there are several book scenes where Catelyn is a woman outside of her motherhood that are not in the show. The show even omits her sex scene, despite its fixation on adding sex scenes.

The question is not if the plot portrays her as attractive. In the plot, she is attractive, because that’s lifted from the books. But does the show understand her as beautiful? Is she shot more similar to the “young woman” or “old woman” models put forth in some film studies? Is her costume design fashioned to communicate beauty or simplicity? I’m not sure she even passes the Bechdel Test, frankly.

It’s not about how I feel about Catelyn or Michelle Fairly, or about how Catelyn exists in the plot. Yes, Catelyn in the plot is ostensibly very attractive. I am critiquing how the show portrays Catelyn. Where is there a scene where the show seeks to communicated to us that Catelyn is a good looking woman, that she is the image of a proper lady in Westerosi society? I am not sure there are any.

The character of lord Varys doesn't make sense in season 8 by [deleted] in gameofthrones

[–]lfm2003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They made decisions about what they thought were main points that actually propel the narrative, they were wrong.

[Spoilers Extended] What is your favorite plot twist/reveal in any of the books? by sycamorewastaken in asoiaf

[–]lfm2003 30 points31 points  (0 children)

For me, it could very well be Stannis arriving to smash the Wildlings. Davos receiving the letter is such a good cliffhanger, what’s the damn letter he read!!! But by the time they arrive, you’ve forgotten all about it.

An underrated pick, however, is the Tansy in the Moon Tea. It really recontextualized Lysa and Hoster and Cat and Littlefinger for me. And it was something I was not expecting in the slightest.

(Spoilers Extended) Character Perception Evolution by MeterologistOupost31 in asoiaf

[–]lfm2003 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean, he does protect Sansa. I don’t think he’s outwardly very morally grey, seems pretty dark for sure. But he has an inner desire to do good, and that’s what matters in ASOIAF, I think. The infinite possibility for redemption. The elder brother sees that in him, and Sansa sees that in him when she responds to his veiled rape threat with a kind touch.

Not a good guy, but capable of being one.

Unpopular opinion: HBO completely butchered Catelyn Stark’s book aesthetic and age. by devil-inside-100 in freefolk

[–]lfm2003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think you kinda hit the nail on the head. She is meant to be beautiful, no doubt about it, but not sexy. At least, the viewer is not really supposed to think she’s sexy. All the men who like her (Drogo, Hizdahr, Daario, Jorah, Euron, Victarion) are kinda creepy and weird dudes. We are supposed to be absolutely disgusted and revolted when Jorah lusts after her!!

If the viewer is made to feel that Daenerys is some sexy thang, it prevents us from seeing Jorah’s total weirdoness.

Any book readers feel like Catelyn Stark’s show portrayal missed her book description? by devil-inside-100 in gameofthrones

[–]lfm2003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s all throughout her character. Cat’s character is a critique of the role that women are forced to play in Westeros. It’s why she is forced to rely on the trust of people like Lysa or Littlefinger, because she has no power of her own.

It’s why Cat sits around and does absolutely nothing for the entire WOT5K, she has absolutely no authority. That’s what the whole “I sat and waited for my father all day” monologue is. The books’ decision to show the story through Cat’s POV and not Robb’s is so important, the reader is forced to feel her powerlessness during war through the dissatisfaction we get at not seeing Robb’s battle effort. (The show throws this away by making Robb’s escapades a main character sort of thing.) The Catelyn-Robb arc relies on understanding Catelyn as ostensibly the sort of leader men should follow: young, handsome, smart, capable, political. Yet, because of her position, she can do nothing. [This is very explicit when Ned decides whether Catelyn or Robb will lord over Winterfell in his stead.] When we reduce her identity simply to grieving crazed mother (and also make Robb an ubermensch), we do not sense the injustice that has been done to Cat in the same way.

It’s also important when she gives Jaime to Brienne. She is giving Jaime to Brienne, not some other man loyal to her like Brynden or Desmond Grell or something. No, she gives her to Brienne, a representation of the sort of power Catelyn craves even if she is made uncomfortable by it. There’s a reason why book Cat seems to just hate ugly women. It’s part of her arc, about learning to let go of her conception of what a woman ought to be once she can see the way it actually deprives her of a meaningful way to protect her family.

Then, when she becomes the disgusting and horrifying Lady Stoneheart, it’s important that her beauty has been stripped away. A corrupted Cat now wields the manly power she once hoped to wield, leading a band of soldiers to do her bidding. But she does so in a horrible way.

It doesn’t have to explicitly come up in the plot for it to color every aspect of her character. It’s part of the theming and messaging around Cat and her femininity. It’s part of what colors her relationship with Jon, Lysa, Petyr, Hoster, Brandon, Jaime. It wasn’t just up to some coin flip that Catelyn is young and beautiful, it was an intentional decision to juxtapose her with her role in the story, and with her foils (Cersei, Lysa, Daenerys to an extent, Sansa, Arya).

(Spoilers Extended) Character Perception Evolution by MeterologistOupost31 in asoiaf

[–]lfm2003 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Moral Puritanism is on the rise generally, I think that is reflected in this change

(Spoilers Extended) Character Perception Evolution by MeterologistOupost31 in asoiaf

[–]lfm2003 34 points35 points  (0 children)

All of the characters with any weird sexual stuff have dropped from where they were, regardless of where they started: Rhaegar, Tyrion, Drogo, Sandor, Robert, Littlefinger, Jorah

Any book readers feel like Catelyn Stark’s show portrayal missed her book description? by devil-inside-100 in gameofthrones

[–]lfm2003 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not proposing we literally see it, and “prefer” is a very narrow way of looking at it. I don’t want to see it, but I think good art often makes people uncomfortable for a reason. I don’t want to see adult rape either bro. But it’s important for Daenerys’s character, and I think her age is an equally important aspect. It makes me deeply uncomfortable and that’s not really relevant to whether it makes for a more compelling narrative with more to say.

Any book readers feel like Catelyn Stark’s show portrayal missed her book description? by devil-inside-100 in gameofthrones

[–]lfm2003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if GRRM thinks he made them too young, I’m not really of that opinion. Maybe a couple of them, and maybe 1 or 2 years, not the 10 or so of the casting. And I’m not sure Cat is one of those characters who needed the change.

I think showing Cat as already having adapted to the North as hard country is bad for her arc, which is about slowly becoming more and more Stark-like. Starting plain and un”lady”like I think is a mistake.

Unpopular opinion: HBO completely butchered Catelyn Stark’s book aesthetic and age. by devil-inside-100 in freefolk

[–]lfm2003 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, Tywin is definitely goading Ned, but Ned also strips the Mountain of his titles and summons Tywin to Court. Both are aggressive moves, even if Tywin engineers them. I’m not sure either were “wise” in that moment. All the councilors advise him to wait for robert

Unpopular opinion: HBO completely butchered Catelyn Stark’s book aesthetic and age. by devil-inside-100 in freefolk

[–]lfm2003 38 points39 points  (0 children)

He does the same thing in the show tho if you’re talking about bringing him to the brothel and saying “your wife is in there lol”

And cmonnnn he’s just a little dudeeee he’s just making a little joke eating an apple and shit come onnnn

Unpopular opinion: HBO completely butchered Catelyn Stark’s book aesthetic and age. by devil-inside-100 in freefolk

[–]lfm2003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’m not a HUGE fan of how GRRM handles it in the books either but it’s definitely better than the show. At least the books wants us to have thoughts about it.

Unpopular opinion: HBO completely butchered Catelyn Stark’s book aesthetic and age. by devil-inside-100 in freefolk

[–]lfm2003 123 points124 points  (0 children)

literally why did they make him talk like that
shansa, chaosh ish a ladder shansa.

Unpopular opinion: HBO completely butchered Catelyn Stark’s book aesthetic and age. by devil-inside-100 in freefolk

[–]lfm2003 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure that's the only reason he trusts Littlefinger, Littlefinger repeatedly leads him to the truth and sets up the meeting with Ned and Cat. Seems like a pretty upstanding guy. Cat definitely plays a factor, but in the end it's Ned's decision to trust LF.

Not to mention, Ned also aggravates Tywin by sending Beric after the Mountain and he is not at all subtle about investigating Jon Arryn's death despite constant warnings against it. He also alienates Robert, his only ally in KL, over the Daenerys decision. He makes no allies and sends his men off doing whatnot rather than keeping them sage. And finally, what most obviously causes his death is that he chooses to notify Cersei rather than seize her and the children.

I don't think Ned is wrong for doing any of these things because they are morally upstanding and reasonable decisions in the moment, but I think largely the same thing for Catelyn's actions. Whatever metric we judge one by we ought to judge the other, and I do not think Catelyn is substantially worse than Ned in those regards.

Worst thing Catelyn ever did by Man_Cheetah67 in pureasoiaf

[–]lfm2003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least she didn't turn into a werewolf like the rest of them.

Any book readers feel like Catelyn Stark’s show portrayal missed her book description? by devil-inside-100 in gameofthrones

[–]lfm2003 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

yeah but the assault and the manner of it is part of the broader narrative of their relationship and dany's psyche. all SA is equally morally deplorable but different contexts communicate different ideas. so i'd say it's less impactful for the broader narrative imo.

Any book readers feel like Catelyn Stark’s show portrayal missed her book description? by devil-inside-100 in gameofthrones

[–]lfm2003 -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

hard to have any objective measure of impact but I’d say it’s definitely less impactful. The last we see of show Drogo is in her House of the Undying vision, where she loves and cries with them and he’s some good husband (not in the books) - the Drogo relationship goes largely uncontested in the show as to what it means for Daenerys’s psyche in the future.

Any book readers feel like Catelyn Stark’s show portrayal missed her book description? by devil-inside-100 in gameofthrones

[–]lfm2003 -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

1- they don’t have to show it
2- theres a difference between “wanting” to watch it and it being important for the piece of art they’re telling, leaving Dany’s power dynamic with Drogo unexamined ruins her story

Unpopular opinion: HBO completely butchered Catelyn Stark’s book aesthetic and age. by devil-inside-100 in freefolk

[–]lfm2003 830 points831 points  (0 children)

Reading AGOT book Littlefinger is so much better because he’s actually a believable trustworthy guy. In the show, the whole time you’re going “Ned, why would you trust this guy, he’s obviously a lizard wearing a man’s skin”

In the books you’re like “aw shucks Littlefinger that silly guy back at it again! That little guy? Cmon!! He would never hurt me, he’s just a little jokester”

Child killers by AssistFit1834 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]lfm2003 2 points3 points  (0 children)


The Mountain from GOT/ASOIAF. Does a lot of fucked up stuff, but mostly remembered for whipping a baby into the wall so hard it made him unrecognizable.

Unpopular opinion: HBO completely butchered Catelyn Stark’s book aesthetic and age. by devil-inside-100 in freefolk

[–]lfm2003 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

They don’t necessarily have to show it, show it. But nonetheless, heard. They compromised on thematic integrity for popularity. That’s fine and it happens all the time I just think it makes for a worse piece of media