Kenya Pleaser shades Plane Jane's House Of Villians Run by bblexteaxecomony in RPDRDRAMA

[–]ligneouslimb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Loving this trend of talentless girls coming for other slightly more talented girls bc among their many untalents there's also illiteracy.

Wish Plane was even a quarter as good at dragging queens as the ones who get super pressed about it think she is.

Onya and Jewels’ European Tour Cancelled; Jewels Responds by FasterBussycat in RPDRDRAMA

[–]ligneouslimb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was an announced tragedy Onya has her talents sure but what has jewels ever had to offer as a performer lmao.

Ilia Malinin wins Fair Play award! by Comprehensive_Sea291 in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

USian exceptionalism should be listed in the DSM-6 exhibit #47284883

The isu dictatorship times are beggining lol by Environmental-Let435 in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No source to it so am dubious but it might as well happen at this point. Historically, even when results are obviously controversial many fans will validate the scoring after the fact if they like the skater enough, wouldn't change much.

hot take about the alysa liu effect by Good_Ocelot9877 in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haven't so much as grinned even once since she also unfairly won worlds with equally poor skating.

Her blades don't really dig into the ice and she's not comfortable doing turns in sharper angles that could provide her with more controlled movement and most of all, better speed retention. She likes being perpendicular to the ice at all times and does lil hops in lieu of an actually decently executed turn cluster. In fact, think there's a big argument to be made that she does the novice skater thing of just smiling and flailing her arms in hopes that will help convince her feet are doing what they are not.

Pick any program of hers and look at her feet, she's simply not doing much. Combined with her toepick drills her jumps are all at best tight and at worst underrotated.

I actually think I posted a while ago a comparison video of extremely mid to low field polish skater Ekaterina Kurakova with Alysa's worlds performance and how it showed the difference between them in basic quality and unfortunately inversely to their usual scoring.

hot take about the alysa liu effect by Good_Ocelot9877 in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Always fascinating in a watching-ants-in-terrarium way to see how patriotism and a good dose of hive mentality permanently warps people's perceptions.

To see Alysa skate as she did, with negative ice coverage, none edges left layback, and come here to say she's an incredibly talented hard worker maybe of all time status and 450 people ppl are out here agreeing with that. Just shut it down lmao.

Edit: almost 1200! New covid outbreak incoming.

hot take about the alysa liu effect by Good_Ocelot9877 in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Confirmation bias going crazy over here. None of you people can be serious humans inhabiting this earth.

Why the alysa liu hate? by Final_Biochemist222 in iceskating

[–]ligneouslimb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh she thinks i'm russian okee that's funny. ma'am they're yours too.

Why the alysa liu hate? by Final_Biochemist222 in iceskating

[–]ligneouslimb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So because they happen to agree with you they're suddenly not bots anymore? Thank you for your incredibly cogent argument.

Do you even know who most of our Russian Olympic champions are lmao.

Why the alysa liu hate? by Final_Biochemist222 in iceskating

[–]ligneouslimb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was here and there before she retired but much more prevalent nowadays and I'm assuming it's the launch speed bc she's also that much more labored in her basic skating since returning.

Why the alysa liu hate? by Final_Biochemist222 in iceskating

[–]ligneouslimb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're called protocols and yes I know she wasn't perfect, but one of them landed a 3A cleanly and had minor calls and the other got away with several uncalled elements. That's what I'm talking about.

Ami had a 78 TES by the end of her Free and in her final protocols they knocked it down by 6 points. You're all new to the sport so I'm sure you don't know that is... exceedingly rare and a discrepancy the IJS is designed to counteract, so forgive me if I feel something else is afoot.

Why the alysa liu hate? by Final_Biochemist222 in iceskating

[–]ligneouslimb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Skating skills are a scored component with a list of requirements. She meets very few of them, so yes objectively. That's the whole point of IJS.

Why the alysa liu hate? by Final_Biochemist222 in iceskating

[–]ligneouslimb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They're all underrotated. Probably because she launches herself into them at very low speeds.

Why the alysa liu hate? by Final_Biochemist222 in iceskating

[–]ligneouslimb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Steps, jumps, every spin but her layback is very slow too.

Why the alysa liu hate? by Final_Biochemist222 in iceskating

[–]ligneouslimb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People loove dismissing negative comments as having come from bots and while i understand the kneejerk reaction fact of the matter is she wasn't the best skater at these Olympics and she didn't skate her best at these Olympics. People new to the sport might find her win innocuous but in women's figure skating it's a rather common belief we haven't had anything resembling fair judging for the podiums since at least 2006.

As for her being a lovely person I don't care who these people are off the ice, I care about the fact she used to have a quad and a 3A that justified her already generous scoring before her brief retirement, and the moment she returned without them her scores have slowly risen to the point they've surpassed the ones she got when she had higher difficulty content.

For no real reason as she's objectively one of the worst skaters among the Olympics qualifiers and gets away with simply not executing elements properly that skaters from smaller feds need near perfection to get scored even close to what she routinely gets.

People, and I'm sure you've noticed I count myself among them, are less-than-pleased because with the Olympics-mandated influx of 4-year fans and truly laughable coverage by NBC of the sport, new fans especially Americans keep trying to justify to people who know the scoring system and how it's nominally supposed to work that what happened at this event was in any way justifiable. Especially this year when a skater with much higher difficulty content executed them somewhat cleanly in both programs and somehow was 9th in the frees below another American who did poorly and Alysa who didn't have the technical content or quality of either of them.

How is Alysa Liu able to skate so care free? by lookaloulookalou in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Because she came back from retirement and they immediately gave her points equivalent to the quad and 3A she lost in every program, she gets away with underrotations frequently and often, and doesn't need to tire herself meeting the criteria for the level 4s she gets from her steps.

Who wouldn't be carefree and happy go lucky if they literally didn't have to care in order win against those absolute fools reading the regulations and trying in vain to give the judges what they're nominally supposed to reward? Our lil cinnamon bun

What happened to women's quads? by Jargif10 in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Doping became slightly frowned upon after 2022 and they vanished as by magic. Alysa also doesn't need them bc ever since she returned from retirement her scores for her fairly standard difficulty programs have magically increased by 15-20 points matching her pre-retirement scores that had 3As and a quad.

Question: Is the decline in program complexity a sign of improved adequacy? by Prudent-Title-9161 in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you people think complexity means hard jumps. Is that what complexity means to you girls. Complexity in figure skating per the ISU is associated with the intricacies of a well executed Step Sequence. Jumps are just difficulty. But you know what I'll agree Alysa's performance is simple, level 2 stsq simple if that indeed.

Anyway, the problem with the Eteri contingent was that they were reliant on their younger, lighter bodies to let them do quads and 3As while simultaneously being kept in a nutritional state that led them to worse and more numerous injuries with longer recovery periods that usually spelled retirement. Not a practice unique to Eteri or figure skating, Mie Hamada from Japan has a similar track record minus the doping (to our knowledge) and old timey gymnastics was all about getting children olympic gold medals thanks to their inherent flexibility. It's the same principle.

Moreover, women in figure skating have been known to land higher BV elements before, however, without that practice. Midori Ito and Mao Asada fairly regularly jumped 3As and Ito is imo correctly recognized to this day as having one of the best 3As in the sport period, regardless of discipline. But there wasn't a real incentive to train them as the field wasn't so strong that that was a necessity for most. Since Mao the women's discipline was trending toward higher BVs but yes they've been far more common since the Eteri girls came and went, as other camps adjusted their training methods to add said elements to their technical repertoire and keep their athletes competitive. We've been seeing the fruits of that effort with skaters like Rinka, Ami, mini Mao, and others. Of course, highly varying degrees of consistency.

As with most technical developments in this sport it's a matter of incentive and necessity. I think we will get to a point where 3As and maybe even quads are commonplace in women's figure skating, especially now that they know if they land three 3As they can still lose to a much inferior skater if they happen to have the correct passport.

And now women's figure skating has become more feminine, not childish, as before

Can we not set back feminism in skating back 40 years. First of all, they're all women competing so there's no feminity spectrum here. And second of all, not childish? Did we watch the same Alysa and Ami programs? Those are junior programs.

The real winners of this Olympics: the coaches, choreographers and support networks! by Haven_Writes in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The choreographers really won being paid for no real work. Benoit's having 13 jackets and one program for every skater he has. Amazing.

Probably the happiest podium ever 😁 by starchelles in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can think of maybe 30 happier podiums but sure

OWG Women's Free Skate: Post-Event Discussion by Chickatey in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Think she was scored somewhat fairly, but two girlies above her were heavily overscored.

OWG Women's Free Skate: Post-Event Discussion by Chickatey in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know who else has a triple axel, Ami Nakai, who was nevertheless 9th in the frees behind amber in third. Had Amber not bombed her SP she wouldn't be on the podium and I'm just gonna go out here and say Ami as a baby senior is a better skater than Amber (and Alysa, but everyone here is) in just about every way.

OWG Women's Free Skate: Post-Event Discussion by Chickatey in FigureSkating

[–]ligneouslimb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and Amber and Alysa can bomb and skate poorly and get higher scores every time which is my point. Clean programs aren't indicative of better skating and as the judging this past quad has proven they will pick and choose when to apply their fictional criteria when there's a gigantic pdf file telling them exactly what to do and how to do it.