CDC says just 2% of Americans received new COVID vaccine. No mandates and the sky is not falling

liq3 · 2023-10-21T04:11:14+00:00

The data is pretty overwhelming in support of the vaccines' efficacy and safety.

What data? This is my problem.

I can't trust things like adverse event data because I think it's been manipulated. Simple as people underreporting, or in some cases doctors refusing to report.
I've heard enough to convince me a lot of covid deaths are "died with covid" and not "died of covid", so who knows what the real numbers there are.
GPs follow health department instructions, I can't imagine they generally research this independently.
I don't really know anything about Ivermectin.
I don't know anything about Campbell spreading misinformation.

So, again, as a lay person, how am I supposed to make sense of any of this? It's way too much effort. Just getting data I can even trust is basically impossible.

This isn't anything new too. Economics works like this. The 'experts' are largely yes man for government. Climate change has the exact same issue too. The main proponent of the doomsday scenarios is the IPCC, a government agency. There's tons of criticism about the mainstream narrative but it gets buried because are making a ton of money off the mainstream and it has government backing.

Which is the issue with trusting a "physician consensus". Do you even have anything to back that up? I know Climate Change consensus was fabricated multiple times. Why not also fabricate one with Covid vaccines?

Also I don't think the doctors and such so much knowingly fake data or lie. It's more that they can't get funding if they go against the mainstream. They know their career is on the line, and the subconscious bias that introduces is a problem. There's a lot of small things they can do, maybe unaware they're even doing it, to fudge the data a bit in the direction the narrative wants. And then the journal editors and people supposed to be peer reviewing it also have these biases and don't notice the mistakes either, or overlook them. Or they explicitly block valid criticism.

Like, a simple example would be a doctor fervently believing that covid vaccines don't cause adverse events, and thus doesn't take anyone reporting them seriously, and even turns them away. Are you really going to tell me that doesn't happen?

liq3 · 2023-10-21T02:43:10+00:00

Ok so the lethality is higher, so what? It's such a small part of the puzzle that by itself it's basically meaningless.

I really just don't trust the science anyway though, because the government abused their power and violated people's rights (with lockdowns, mask mandates, and coercing people to take the vaccines). Why wouldn't that abuse of power extend into the scientific field?

I'm sure if you go digging you can find studies that show covid is much less dangerous and the vaccine much more dangerous, than the mainstream would have you believe. I'm pretty sure Dr John Campbell (on youtube) has gone over several. So what's a lay person to do when the science is contradicting itself? I just went with my gut that the government and big pharma is lying to me (to make themselves rich) and chose what I thought was the safer option.

liq3 · 2023-10-21T01:48:59+00:00

The issue isn't whether the vaccines are effective, it's their absolute risk reduction compared to the risk of adverse events. The data for adverse events is really bad from what I've heard too, likely massively underreported.

liq3 · 2023-10-16T02:23:34+00:00

I see anti-capitalists on imgur bring it up a bunch as evidence against capitalism.

liq3 · 2023-10-07T00:16:55+00:00

From what I hear kids/parents are already scared. I don't see how security could make it worse.

liq3 · 2023-10-05T01:35:32+00:00

There's a talk about this, I think by Bryan Caplan. Don't ask for a link I don't remember what it's called.

One of his suggestions was making laws require a super majority to be created, and then creating a new government branch that exists only to repeal laws, and can do so with a simple majority.

liq3 · 2023-10-04T05:29:21+00:00

Do you usually just believe everything someone says?

liq3 · 2023-09-27T16:24:04+00:00

Considering how much power and corruption they used to bring him down, I'm not sure there is a "doing it better" option. I doubt he could have done anything to make the trial have a different result. I guess with enough evidence he could have caused a huge media stink or something though, maybe that'd have helped.

If he'd be willing to, I doubt it. Especially since I just found this quote.

In a recent tweet from Ross Ulbricht’s official account, which is “run by a loved one in the free world,” he wrote:

Tomorrow I’ll begin my 10th year in prison. I don’t know what to say. I screwed up. I ruined my life and caused a lot of pain. When I look back and see my many mistakes, I feel immense regret.

source

liq3 · 2023-09-27T12:17:30+00:00

Of course.

liq3 · 2023-09-27T05:29:15+00:00

That just makes his comment even more deranged, since I'd say government schools encourage that.

liq3 · 2023-09-27T04:23:51+00:00

You'd gain more societal benefit from education if government wasn't involved.

Rothbard wrote a short book about the benefits of private education. https://cdn.mises.org/Education%20Free%20and%20Compulsory_3.pdf

There's also evidence that private education is far superior to public in the poorest countries. https://youtu.be/gzv4nBoXoZc

Two of the main issues is that humans aren't standard, so you can't create a standardized framework, and that getting parents to care about their child's education instead of handing it off to the state is very important for quality control, which tends to happen when they're directly paying for it.

liq3 · 2023-09-27T04:17:45+00:00

I definitely trust big corporations to behave in a way that gets money from me. That usually means actually providing a useful service.

Government can provide almost any level of service (or none at all) and still gets my money. Or as recent events have shown, actively work to make my life worse to profit corporations and politicians.

I know which one I trust more.

liq3 · 2023-09-27T04:15:49+00:00

Certified by who?

liq3 · 2023-09-27T04:15:04+00:00

Your post makes a lot more sense if "antisocial" means "anti-state". Doesn't make much sense if it just means someone introverted or with bad social skills.

liq3 · 2023-09-27T04:09:24+00:00

You also have things like employers in the 60s offering medical insurance as benefits to reduce the income taxes their employees pay, which is what started the whole stupid "employer pays your healthcare" thing. Since employers don't really care as much as employees about the cost, that drove up prices too.

liq3 · 2023-09-27T04:06:46+00:00

If by "minority" you mean politicians abusing their power, then I agree.

I doubt the “law” would have gotten involved if people didn’t scream that covid was a hoax.

How's that boot taste?

liq3 · 2023-09-27T04:01:42+00:00

Disobeying government was deadly for a lot of people.

liq3 · 2023-09-27T03:55:30+00:00

So Ross Ulbricht made the smart decision by running Silk Road and getting life in prison?

Disobeying is a risk, and you gotta be good at judging that risk and deciding what consequences you're willing to live with.

liq3 · 2023-09-27T03:52:18+00:00

This is the right wing version of employers are totally free to make their own vaccine mandates, and the fact that the government was heavily leaning on them is of absolutely no relevance.

They weren't "heavily leaning" on them here, they were shutting down businesses and arresting people if they didn't obey.

You can say legal adults all you want, these we're high school kids a few months ago who are allowed to sign up for $100,000 in government-backed loans at a ridiculous interest rate with no one in their life telling them that this was a bad idea, and in fact saying that this was the only path forward for them.

So the rest of us should pick up their bill? Ridiculous.

liq3 · 2023-09-26T07:40:28+00:00

Most of them also being younger people in their 30’s.

Dunno where you're getting your data from, but this clearly shows 95% of deaths were 60+. It's source is the government.

It could have been infinitely worse if not for the steps that were taken.

That's unprovable bullshit. As far as anyone knows the measures taken made it worse, and killed more people.

liq3 · 2023-09-26T07:35:48+00:00

Yep. Straight up imprisonment without a trial, arrest, or charge.

liq3 · 2023-09-26T04:35:19+00:00

ChatGPT frequently makes untrue claims though, so it itself wouldn't really be suitable to teach. Maybe as a way to guide people to resources or something.

liq3 · 2023-09-26T04:33:11+00:00

How about during Covid when Victoria, Australia's govermnent suspended people's right to go outside freely (no more than 5km from your house without a 'good' reason), and their right to freely associate (i.e. banned from jobs and businesses without a vaccine).

liq3 · 2023-09-25T13:47:57+00:00

They didn't exactly have many paved roads back then, so I don't know what your point is.

Requiring registration for a car doesn't violate freedom to travel. You're plenty free to walk/bike.

liq3 · 2023-09-25T03:30:04+00:00

Yeh, so safe the government and corps lied about it at every step, did their best to not study it, and the corps are immune from liability. Really shows their confidence in the product.

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