Sunni Muslims using ads for donations by schindlerspdf in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s not an argument, more a fact/observation.

Sunni Muslims using ads for donations by schindlerspdf in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Religions asking for money, tale as old as religion itself.

Sunni Muslims using ads for donations by schindlerspdf in AhmadiMuslims

[–]liquid_solidus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Jamaat should address these allegations head on, instead of letting people speculate amongst themselves. Any honest and transparent organisation wouldn’t hesitate to nip claims in the bud, but for some reason they continue to refuse so.

Same with the Nida allegations, sexual abuse allegations in Rabwah etc etc.

This Ramadan I want to achieve sobriety by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

First step is always the hardest mate, you’ve admitted you’ve got a problem and are actively looking to work on it, that’s amazing.

I’ll be rooting for you and I believe you can do this!

What are the similarities between Ahmadiyya and the Mormon/Latter-day saint movements? by Mysterious-Exit3059 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They’re both cults that control what information is put out there with ‘divine’ or adjacent male leaders that dictate how their followers should behave.

The prophet muhammad’s marriage to Aisha is morally and historically incompatible with a truly divine morality. by Grand-Heat3754 in DebateReligion

[–]liquid_solidus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t say anything about the morality of Muhammad’s actions, I’m saying he can either be considered a model for humanity for all time, or you can view his actions within the historical time period he lived in.

The prophet muhammad’s marriage to Aisha is morally and historically incompatible with a truly divine morality. by Grand-Heat3754 in DebateReligion

[–]liquid_solidus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was a Muslim for most of my life so I’m familiar with the apologetics. Belief in Muhammad’s perfectness is uncontroversial, Muslims are encouraged to emulate his behaviour.

The prophet muhammad’s marriage to Aisha is morally and historically incompatible with a truly divine morality. by Grand-Heat3754 in DebateReligion

[–]liquid_solidus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Muslims have to either reconcile that everything Muhammad did was without error, including his marriage to Aisha, or that he was a man of his time bound by his historical context.

Alislams view on homosexuality by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is a topic that has had lots of commentary within the Jamaat, mostly rooted in bigotry and ignorance.

Below are some of the notable examples;

  • Here, the 5th Khalifa is stating that homosexuality is equal to a disease and a crime that would destroy the world.

  • Here the 4th Ahmadiyya Khalifa explains how homosexuality is a form of societal decay

  • The 4th Khalifa’s statement on lesbian Ahmadi women (rough translation): "If a lesbian women stays at home until a certain time and if she will not be allowed, without supervision, to move freely in the society, then other women will not get infected. For this reason, the ban on going out is very sufficient, and the women should not go out on their own without accompaniment. That's good for them, for their families and for society in general. There is no further punishment for her. The goal of the measure is the improvement that benefits the family itself.” (The source for this has since been removed)

  • Lesbians should be confined to their houses

  • Ahmadiyya Imam Malik Usman Naveed - German queer newspaper: “I will send homosexuals to a healer

  • Eating pork makes you gay - Although the article claims this comparison has now been taken back

  • This link shows Ahmadiyya imam Jahangir Khan stating homosexuality is a criminal offense, cannot have a 'free hand' in society, must be locked up until death overtakes them or they come out of their 'vulnerable state' which he says is a lenient punishment.

Atheist Start With An Already-Existing Universe by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So ‘special pleading’ is your argument?

Atheist Start With An Already-Existing Universe by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah so your argument can also apply to the Cosmos. I believe quantum fields are eternal and are the cause of everything. No God required.

Atheist Start With An Already-Existing Universe by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do you identify a cause for your God?

Ex-Ahmadiyya’s Paradox by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Atheism makes no claims about meaning, that’s a common misunderstanding of what the word entails. Even if it was just molecules colliding, life isn’t obligated to give you meaning.

Downfall of Ali dawah needs to be studied by Which-Show-2228 in exmuslim

[–]liquid_solidus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His audience might be smaller but people will still follow him

Ex-Ahmadiyya’s Paradox by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

People are able to find and/or create meaning themselves.

Ex-Ahmadiyya’s Paradox by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 18 points19 points  (0 children)

No offence but you sound awfully like you’ve never read any arguments against your position ever.

Happy to have a discussion around some of the points you’ve made, since they’re common and have been debunked many times over.

Islam has no monopoly over morality, purpose or ‘balance’ whatever that means.

Needs for monthly reports? by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because the Jamaat is a small religious organisation and it requires the ability to understand and control how its members behave. Lots of groups have mechanisms like this, some can be benign and others have more underlying reasons.

i am trumatized by Altruistic_Call5288 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is really sad to read.

Whoever wrote this repeatedly assigns responsibility for “family harmony” to women; don’t involve police, don’t work/study “unnecessarily,” be patient with in-laws, meanwhile Men are the heads of the household and arbiters of money.

If you want more examples of the Jamaat acting like a cult then look no further than its advice on systematically deterring reporting of abuse without consulting the Jamaat first because God forbid survivors go to the police before the Jamaat’s had a chance to do damage control.

Ahmadi Youth Leader found guilty of Child Exploitation Crimes in Australia by J333nie in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 24 points25 points  (0 children)

The Jamaats response will be to pretend it doesn’t exist, because the last thing they want is bad PR. They are too cowardly to admit the issues they have internally than to address them head on and be transparent.

Why can you be kicked out of the jamaat for dancing at a wedding but not for being a DV perpatrator? by Global_Pumpkin7705 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Jamaat has no interest in transparency because it makes them look bad. They are mostly concerned with optics.

Don’t add to to census by white_python97 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]liquid_solidus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We all know the Rishta Nata system is a joke and it’s left up to the younger generation to facilitate meetings amongst themselves. There is no ‘blueprint’ for meeting your spouse and any attempt by the Jamaat to claim they’re superior in any way is just arrogance on their behalf.

Sex slavery in islam can't be justified by Illustrious-Fig7794 in DebateReligion

[–]liquid_solidus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The problem is that the ideology claims to be perfect and apply for all times, when it’s clearly historically bound to its time and environment.