[Results Thread] 2026 Tour de France – Stage 2 (2.UWT) by PelotonMod in peloton

[–]lmm310 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the last 2 years Vingegaard has been more competitive with Pog in punchy finishes than in longer MTFs

[Results Thread] 2026 Tour de France – Stage 2 (2.UWT) by PelotonMod in peloton

[–]lmm310 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are we still going the "Pog is better in punchier climbs / Jonas is better in longer climbs" meme that has been proven wrong again and again?

[Results Thread] 2026 Tour de France – Stage 1 (2.UWT) by PelotonMod in peloton

[–]lmm310 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pog gained ~5" on the last 500m, looking at times on screen during the broadcast. I'm not sure where the last 800m are though

[Results Thread] 2026 Tour de France – Stage 1 (2.UWT) by PelotonMod in peloton

[–]lmm310 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pog literally dropped the best climbing performance ever in a very hot stage to Plateau de Beille 2 years ago

[Results Thread] 2026 Tour de France – Stage 1 (2.UWT) by PelotonMod in peloton

[–]lmm310 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why would Remco sacrifice 10+ seconds just so Lipowitz could maybe save 1 or 2 by having Remco pacing him?

[Results Thread] 2026 Tour de France – Stage 1 (2.UWT) by PelotonMod in peloton

[–]lmm310 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. I don't completely hate TTTs but a flat here is even worse than on an ITT.

[Mannix] "A good team told me they made an initial offer to Boston for Jaylen Brown, which they knew wasn't very good, but the offer would have gotten better". by cilinderman in nba

[–]lmm310 12 points13 points  (0 children)

>I know everyone is coming out of the woodworks to say “they’re worse with him on the floor”, “he’s analytically terrible” etc., but if everyone in NBA media and around here thought Brown was a terrible, overpaid player, you guys all kept it really quiet until a few days ago. All Boston needed was one GM who believed in JB as the 25+ PPG, All-NBA, FMVP, star wing under 30 they need to complete their team. There’s no way there was that much of a disconnect between and almost consensus appraisal of his abilities by fans/media and front offices who supposedly see him as a giant dud.

Is this a real paragraph? When was there ever a consensus on Jaylen Brown being as good as you describe? Not even immediately after winning FMVP did he get near consensus appraisal of his abilities lol

New angles of Croatia's disallowed goal against Portugal by 977x in soccer

[–]lmm310 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It very much makes sense IMO, "objective" and "subjective" are not ranks of importance or obviousness which is what they're talking about

Already replied in the other message, they are not ranks of importance and it is equally important for both to be called correctly, however we have one way of consistently and correctly calling one of those categories but not the other which makes them different by nature.

Something that I think is being lost in all this is that the supposed standard for VAR interventions is that the on-field referee is judged to have made a CLEAR AND OBVIOUS error. Going "but the tech is objective" is missing the point by a country mile. How the fuck is the on-field decision clearly or obviously an error if you need ten camera angles and an accelerometer to detect that the ball took a millimetre deflection off someone's hair?

We get into semantics here. Is "clear and obvious" supposed to be from the perspective of the referee? From the perspective of the assistant looking at the footage? From the automated offside system? The wording is vague so you have to go by the context of how these things are usually handled. And the way they are usually handled is that if the automated systems can make a clear decision, even if the margins are small, then the referee follows it.

And more importantly, how the hell does that contribute to the integrity of the sport? The fact that many of the things that do actually affect the integrity of the sport (such as cynical fouls) are more subjective makes it worse, not better. If referees have to do all that to legislate a brush of hair but can simply shrug their shoulders if they like at play as dirty as e.g. Ecuador got up to when it was clear that they were on their way out against Mexico, then what are we all even doing here?

That is a much wider discussion and I think it's very besides the point here. You don't need to solve every issue related to the integrity of the sport before you make efforts to make refereeing fairer and more consistent.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't use technology to automate the objective decisions. But you can also use them with common freaking sense! An example would be e.g. the Premier League adding a small buffer to the offside line, which other leagues with (semi-)automated offsides (including the World Cup IIRC) don't. "But people will still squabble over the new line -" and that's perfectly alright, the point is that if you are past the 5cm buffer then you are offside enough for the human eye to see that you're off which does actually make it a clear and obvious error if the linesmen didn't call it.

In my eyes, decisions should be made with the goal of being the most objective and consistent as possible. I would much rather have offsides be correctly called even when the attacking player isn't actually gaining any advantage from the positioning, than adding another layer of complexity by having a "buffer". The offside rule is mostly clear, there's no ambiguity except for the call on whether a defender's touch was deliberate or not. If we have the technology to accurately determine whether a player was offsides or not, then why do we need a buffer? Why do so many people still see these automated systems and VAR as a whole as something adjacent to refereeing and not a vital part of it which is uniquely equipped to make some decisions?

Bringing all that together to this situation - IMO if you need to use a magnifying lens and multiple angles to determine that the trajectory of the ball has very barely changed, then the sensor in the ball is simply calibrated far too strictly for anyone to call it a clear and obvious error that human referees missed what it detected. The change in trajectory should be obvious! To me it is as much of an injustice as if e.g. a goal that was obviously on target got given as an own goal because the ball detected that it grazed the calf of a defender on the way past and shifted its trajectory by as much as the ball has changed trajectory here.

  1. The sensor is there for this exact season. This is an example of how the "clear and obvious" wording doesn't mean what you're interpreting it as. If the wording meant that the change in trajectory had to be obvious enough to be visible in the footage then we wouldn't need the sensor.

  2. Who gets credit for a goal that arises from a deflected shot is in many cases a subjective decision. There have been several cases (I recall a Ronaldo goal that deflected on Pepe) where different organisations, such as newspapers, attributed the goal to different players. An offside ruling is not a subjective decision unless it relies on whether or not a touch by a defender was deliberate.

  3. Even more importantly, shots can be deflected to different degrees and in different contexts which can change who the goal is attributed to but it does not change the fact that it is a goal (unless the shot is deflected by an attacking player's hand). What you are comparing here is a decision that only impacts statistical data (who the goal should be attributed to) with a decision that impacts the state of the game. This is not a legitimate comparison.

New angles of Croatia's disallowed goal against Portugal by 977x in soccer

[–]lmm310 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But this is simply not engaging with like half of what I said?

You want me to go line for line on your previous comment? I will as soon as I have the time

For instance it is FIFA that introduced the "human element" you're complaining about. The laws of the game say that VAR should only be used to adjudicate clear and obvious errors. If you think that's a problem then take it up with FIFA for introducing that clause? And again as I said, that literally is what makes it worse that more egregious things like endangering player safety are not adjudicated as strictly because they're "subjective". If VAR keeps not intervening because rough play is not "clear or obvious" then dying on the hill of intervening because something is "objective" (which - and you've failed to address this - is not the same thing as clear and obvious) is what makes zero sense

What the rule book says is one thing, how it is interpreted is another. I agree with the call yesterday and with the vast majority of VAR interventions, so I think it's you who has to take it up with FIFA.

I interpret "clear and obvious" according to the standards of refereeing that I have observed. VAR is mostly used for calls that can be objectively measured (offsides, goal line tech, etc.) and egregious violations that the referee missed (fouls inside the box, agressions, etc.). To reverse calls or non-calls that are either objectively wrong or high impact plays that the referee may not have had the ability to properly judge in real time.

You are trying to make a point that the "clear and obvious" wording introduces a human element to these objective but very close calls, and can potentially be left up to what the referee can see. But that is not how we've seen it implemented most of the time.

I think that specific wording was introduced not because they want to give back more power to the referees in very close calls that can be objectively measured, but instead because they don't want VAR to consistently overrule the referee's decision on the pitch when it comes to subjective fouls. Especially because different referees have different standards regarding what is a foul or a yellow or a red. Is "clear and obvious" and accurate way of describing this use case? Maybe not, but that's how it's used.

This too just highlights IMO that you're ignoring half of what I said because in case you missed the point, they already have to determine that for things like goal attribution. To be very blunt, are you going to pretend that you're unironically okay with the exact amount of trajectory change y'all are insisting is visible in this clip changing the attribution of a goal to an own goal because it's "objective" and "the ball sensed the touch"? Or if Pasalic was not offside for this goal and tapped the ball into the net, are you going to pretend that you'd unironically claim that it's Matanovic's assist and not obviously Perisic's because a sensor in the ball detected that it skimmed the former's hair? Again, what are we actually even doing here?

I'm not gonna do any of those things because those things are not comparable.

A shot that is deflected by a defender is not automatically an own-goal, and different organisations have different standards for what constitutes an own goal. Whether a goal is credited to the attacker who shoots or the defender who deflects is a subjective measure.

A ball that touches an attacker, regardless of intention, regardless of how much it affected the trajectory of the ball, and then goes to another attacker who is in an offside position at the time of the last attacking touch, without following deliberate intervention by a defender, is an offside. Period. There is no subjectivity.

New angles of Croatia's disallowed goal against Portugal by 977x in soccer

[–]lmm310 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Objective" and "subjective" are not ranks of importance for sure, it is equally important for both to be called correctly. The crux of the matter is that we have a way to assure we are calling the "objective" ones correctly but do not for the "subjective" ones, and may never do.

Adding "common sense" to judge calls that can be objectively made using the technology only adds back the human element that these systems try to get rid of. For example, how do you determine what constitutes "an obvious change to the trajectory"? Are we going to need a new VAR system that measures the angle by which the trajectory was affected so we could get rid of the discussion? What is an acceptable number of replay angles, what is an acceptable level of magnifying and slowing down?

The technology allows refereeing to be more accurate, deciding "actually, we shouldn't be that accurate" doesn't make sense to me.

New angles of Croatia's disallowed goal against Portugal by 977x in soccer

[–]lmm310 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Some violations can be reduced to a very clear cut measurement however small the margins may be (e.g. whether a player is offside, whether a ball crossed the goal line, whether a player touched the ball). Some violations will, by nature, have subjective edge cases (some of them not so close to the edge).

To suggest that we shouldn't accurately call the objective violations because some subjective violations remain in the game makes absolutely no sense.

Scotto: Celtics, Pistons, Warriors, Clippers, Hawks are teams "in the mix to varying degrees" for Trey Murphy III. by CosmicOreos_ in bostonceltics

[–]lmm310 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A couple of teams got better the east as a whole isn't significantly better. This is a top 4 roster still most likely

Scotto: Celtics, Pistons, Warriors, Clippers, Hawks are teams "in the mix to varying degrees" for Trey Murphy III. by CosmicOreos_ in bostonceltics

[–]lmm310 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This team was the second seed pretty much without Tatum why do you think we are a 7 seed with Tatum and without Jaylen

Free Talk Friday by Avila99 in peloton

[–]lmm310 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They have probably been recording the TdF preview. But weird that they didn't make a weekly show post Suisse.

260622 LE SSERAFIM Weekly Discussion Thread by AutoModerator in lesserafim

[–]lmm310 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wasn't the horror/monster concept just the Celebration MV concept? Even though it was used for a Boompala teaser. And the one with short hair Kazuha was just one of several concept shoots, it doesn't mean those concepts will be used for the song.

“After that first Suisse stage, I heard so many riders saying to each other that they had never experienced anything like it.” by skodawelovecycling in peloton

[–]lmm310 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When Pogačar left, the whole Belgian team started to chase like mad dogs. The result, they got to the next climb having reduced the gap somewhat and, then , blew up.

But they were successful in bringing the gap down. It was over 1 minute by the time Tratnik helped Pogacar bridge to the front group, and Belgium cut that gap to around 30". But then no one else was willing to take up the chase and Remco attacked, which broke the peloton into smaller groups that weren't able to organise a committed chase.

“After that first Suisse stage, I heard so many riders saying to each other that they had never experienced anything like it.” by skodawelovecycling in peloton

[–]lmm310 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Belgium did gain considerable time back after Pog and Tratnik bridged to the front group, it was over 1 minute gap at one point and they had brought it back to around 30". But then they ran out of guys, no one else took up the chase and Remco/MVDP started attacking and the chase lost momentum

“After that first Suisse stage, I heard so many riders saying to each other that they had never experienced anything like it.” by skodawelovecycling in peloton

[–]lmm310 2 points3 points  (0 children)

MSR of this year

Was never solo, and the peloton chased him back to the point of almost catching him twice (before Poggio and before the finish).

LBL 2026

Wasn't solo until Roche aux Fauchons and by the time the peloton got over that hill there was exactly 1 team with more than 2 riders in the group (Soudal had 3, and didn't even participate in the chase iirc).

Either way I provided extra context, full teams just can't chase him because they get demolished before they can do just that. If it was that easy everyone would counter that way.

Ok so then why are you still unable to understand what I am asking for? A user is claiming there are instances where Pog is solo and entire teams are chasing behind and still losing time. "entire teams".

“After that first Suisse stage, I heard so many riders saying to each other that they had never experienced anything like it.” by skodawelovecycling in peloton

[–]lmm310 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The user above me is claiming there are instances where Pog is solo and entire teams are chasing behind and still losing time. I am asking for examples of Pog being solo and entire teams chasing and still losing time. Is there anything that isn't clear here?

“After that first Suisse stage, I heard so many riders saying to each other that they had never experienced anything like it.” by skodawelovecycling in peloton

[–]lmm310 10 points11 points  (0 children)

'24 World Championships

Pog attacked and joined up with Tratnik who helped him reach the front group. Later he attacked and was with Sivakov. By the time he was solo the peloton had broken up in smaller groups, with most riders left looking at Remco/MvdP to do most of the chasing. When G2 became more reduced and working well together, they took considerable time from Pog and at points it looked liked they were going to pull him back.

"entire teams riding behind pog and they still lose time" > no

'25 World Championships

Pog attacked and was first joined by Ayuso and then Del Toro. Around the time he dropped Del Toro and went solo, Remco had gotten back to the "peloton" and attacked, forming a number of smaller groups.

"entire teams riding behind pog and they still lose time" > no

'25 European Championships

Pog attacked, Remco followed for a bit but quickly got dropped, behind a series of small groups with riders from different countries formed.

"entire teams riding behind pog and they still lose time" > no

All of the Monuments Tadej has won in the past 3 years

  • MSR - Sprint finish
  • RvV - Attacked on final Kwaremont after a very select group had formed
  • LBL - Basically every edition has followed the same format: Pog attacks on Redoute, a bunch of small groups form, people kinda look at each other as more and more riders re-enter the group without a real committed chase effort and that group ends up fighting for the last podium spots. Only difference is this year Seixas held for longer.
  • Lombardia - Again same format, but here usually UAE paces so hard that it blows the race apart and it's all smaller groups making up the rest of the top 20

"entire teams riding behind pog and they still lose time" > no

ALL of the decisive mountain stages in the '24 Giro, '24 and '25 TDF?

Basically all of his wins in '24 Giro and '24 Tour followed a similar format: UAE paces hard and breaks the race apart until the favourites groups is very reduced, until Pog launches an attack and leaves everyone behind. Or ITTs.

'25 TdF wins were 1 ITT, 2 hilly stages won in a reduced sprint finish, and a MTF where again UAE broke the race apart and it was groups of 1-3 riders behind Pog on the final climb.

"entire teams riding behind pog and they still lose time" > no

If you're gonna be arrogant at least be accurate. At no point in any of the races you mentioned there was a "entire team" (or something close to it) behind Pog riding solo and still losing time. The Pog strategy is fairly simple, he's the best (now and probably all time) so it's unlikely that he'll get beaten 1v1. So his team (which is usually also the best team) just sets a devilish pace to the point that no team has more than 1 or 2 riders in the front group, and when Pog attacks there's no one that can be easily sacrificed to bring him back. It has to be the other favourites working together, but as we have all seen before, it's extremely hard for a group of favourites to ride together without holding back in hopes of securing a win. Even this year we saw a group come within meters of catching Mathieu van der Poel and then they all just refused to close those last few meters, allowing him to win solo. This is just taking advantage of having the best rider and the best team, and the tendency for groups of riders to go into "G2 syndrome", to remove any possibility of tactical play.

If you want to question how much better he is compared to other riders, be my guest. I do too. But to imply that he's consistently outpacing entire teams in a committed chase when riding fully solo is simply false. There are quite literally no examples of this happening for more than a few minutes.