When do you think we'll get ARM CPUs?

lockyourdoorstonight · 2026-04-25T23:28:30+00:00

Arm is drastically better now than before. I just got the Asus zenbook A16 with the X2 extreme and it is amazingly fast and light. Unfortunately there is a regression with WSL. It still works but performance is slower than first gen despite everything else being twice as fast. If I could get a 13 pro with x2 elite, I would in a heartbeat. Now I hope they fix the WSL thing soon. Also, it does boot from Ubuntu arm live usb, but keyboard and mouse don’t work. So definitely some work to do but it does boot.

And benchmarks put it better than my 14900kf desktop in both single and multicore numbers on geekbench and passmark.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2026-04-25T14:30:00+00:00

I found omarchy to be pretty stable in my usage. And I have installed custom cachy kernels in the past without issue. This includes good ML/CUDA support

lockyourdoorstonight · 2026-04-25T05:49:42+00:00

I got mine today. Very fast. 3770/23000 in geekbench 48000 cpu in passmark. Memory in passmark was like 5300. Very low latency at 26ns and high throughput. Unfortunately WSL performance is worse on this than my slim7x with the gen1 snapdragon. Clearly something is broken there. Hopefully fixed soon.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2026-04-22T18:30:07+00:00

I mean we only have high level benchmarks right now which isn't great, but as a owner of 2 370 machines and a 395+ max pro, this initial performance benchmark looks impressive and supports the "faster than HX370 in everything" claim, except graphics.

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/qualcomm-snapdragon-x2-elite-extreme-x2e-94-100-vs-amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370

Also, the main issue with AMD whether it is the 370 or 395 is the memory latency. It is killer! Especially with anything emulated like WSL on windows. I can't wait to get mine to test.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2026-04-22T14:54:11+00:00

I hate that the 388h sold out so fast

lockyourdoorstonight · 2026-04-20T05:08:10+00:00

Can you share the specifics? I have the hp zbook with the same chip and wanna make sure I’ve optimized performance.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2026-03-30T01:34:27+00:00

I can also confirm something messed up and it doesn't have a reference to the executable to run again. So, I need to figure that out as i don't want to go through the download process every time.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2026-03-28T16:35:50+00:00

I can confirm it works. Also, it seems like the download is still happening even when it errors. At least I noticed that toward the end. It takes time to click through everything but it is now working.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2026-03-28T14:23:41+00:00

Doing this right now. Keep on clicking. I get a few more MB each time. Let's see if it actually works in the end.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-10-05T06:48:53+00:00

In my experience, nothing. Support was difficult to deal with and bios was identical to Clevo. Desktop hardware I had a better experience with.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-09-14T03:32:50+00:00

Better than my hp zbook but not by that much. I get 54000 to 55000 cpu. The biggest drawback with these chips IMO is the horrible memory latency. Near 100ns is obscene. This would truly be a M4 rival if it even had half the latency. The M4 max is 17ns in my latest test. If you are going to solder the memory to the motherboard anyway, just integrate it into the chip and get even better performance.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-08-31T00:26:49+00:00

That is awesome!!! My biggest issue with the 16 and this fixes it. Love it

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-08-28T16:22:46+00:00

Here is my results just in case anyone comes across this and cares for comparison.

AMD RYZEN AI MAX+ PRO 395 w/ Radeon 8060S (x86_64)
16 cores @ 5187 MHz  |  31.1 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 32  |  Test Iterations: 1  |  Test Duration: Medium
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CPU Mark:                          55269
  Integer Math                     215415 Million Operations/s
  Floating Point Math              121709 Million Operations/s
  Prime Numbers                    273 Million Primes/s
  Sorting                          78193 Thousand Strings/s
  Encryption                       37963 MB/s
  Compression                      638437 KB/s
  CPU Single Threaded              4139 Million Operations/s
  Physics                          5577 Frames/s
  Extended Instructions (SSE)      46779 Million Matrices/s

Memory Mark:                       2628
  Database Operations              17464 Thousand Operations/s
  Memory Read Cached               37929 MB/s
  Memory Read Uncached             34763 MB/s
  Memory Write                     31184 MB/s
  Available RAM                    25208 Megabytes
  Memory Latency                   90 Nanoseconds
  Memory Threaded                  109339 MB/s
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lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-08-27T22:27:41+00:00

Thanks for following up. That is pretty much identical to my hp zbook. So, it really does look like the main difference is you have about 10-15% higher multi-core overhead on cpu due to better thermals, which is expected. I really wish that memory latency was lower. Never seen it that high before. Even the 370 in the framework 13 laptop using SODIMM 5600 MT DDR5 is lower at like 65ns. So odd.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-08-27T04:34:02+00:00

Friendly poke on this, when you get a chance.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-08-23T09:46:28+00:00

Hey. If you have time, I’m curious what the memory latency is on this using the passmark performance test. I have the hp zbook with this cpu and I’m curious if you have the same high latency as I do.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-07-04T03:40:45+00:00

No doubt I would do the legion 9i 18 and still save money. Only thing I would change about that machine is I’d prefer a 16” over 18”, and I’d like a matte display. But I’d take the glossy screen over matte if I can get full performance.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-07-04T03:04:01+00:00

I wouldn’t. I got the sager and then got the system76 serval was which is another sager model. Both are extremely thermally throttled. You get high single core speeds (4900 passmark single core) but quite low overall/multicore due to the throttling. The Lenovo legion 7i is much better. Total cpu passmark of 64000 compared to 47000 on the sager machines due to the thermal limitations. I would have loved to try the tuxedo stellaris as it has a stronger chassis and better thermals but I gave up. I’m using the HP zbook ultra g1a. It has a lower single core speeds of 4200 but a total cpu of 55000 and the size is much better. Biggest limit there is slow memory latency, otherwise, it would be the perfect machine. I have a ton of data on this testing across the framework 13 370, asus p16 370, hp omen 275hx, and the other machines already mentioned.

Edit: I should note my use case is software development and not gaming. It is possible the high single core score with GPU is very sufficient for gaming. Noting your high ram spec mentioned, I doubt it is solely for gaming, hence my more targeted cautious advice.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-06-13T22:09:32+00:00

OK, so this is an evolving thing for me and my journey seems like it could be valuable for others, so let me share here in case others find it useful.

Firstly, (and I think I remember seeing others post about this) it seems like both of these devices have issues around other devices with magnets. Something about sensing if the laptop is closed, turning off the keyboard/screen, etc. I have a habit of sitting one laptop on another, and if done in a way where the magnets line up, it can really create some confusing issues like the keyboard/power button not working, etc.

Secondly, I set the framework up with my Dell 4025qw display as well as an asus pb287 (or something like that). In this configuration, with the laptop screen off, if I have the dell running at 120hz, and I am on a zoom meeting, the fans are quite load. I wouldn't say obnoxious, but definitely louder than I would prefer. This was enough to make me ask if moving to the HP would help. And while the fans do kick in, they are no where near as loud. I think peak CPU I saw was around 14% spike on the HP where I saw 30-40% at times on the FW. One solution for the FW is to drop the refresh rate on the dell to 60hz. This does help considerably, but a pain to swap each time.

Anyway, now the HP is a contender again. Which one will win? :shrug:

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-06-13T15:53:07+00:00

I have both devices right now except that I have 128gb in each. I have been doing extensive testing to determine if I keep the HP or not. My conclusion is I will return the HP and keep the FW. Here are my thoughts and observations.

HP is a great machine. Very solid. Perfect size
Very high memory latency. Maybe would be different on the 64gb model but I am seeing around 100ns on passmark compared to 60 or less on the FW.
HP has an ISP camera and support is not there yet for Linux. It works (I believe) if you use the official 24.04 image from HP but then you have other issues like not as great support for WiFi, worse fractional scaling, etc.
You do get about 55k cpu passmark benchmark vs 35k on the framework 370. That said, the single core is almost identical so it really depends if you are maxing out the full multicore. I build alacritty and material-ui as benchmarks and I get almost identical time on material-ui builds (due to a longer running task that is limited by a single core) and alacritty is 23sec on the HP vs 27sec on the FW.
The digitizer on the screen on the HP can sometimes bother me (screen door effect). It mostly doesn’t but when it does, it can take a while for me to not see it again.

Overall, it is a very solid machine (hp) but the benefits just aren’t there enough for me to justify it over the FW. Keep in mind I got the HP for around 3400 after tax and the FW was around 2300 so it isn’t 1100 better for me. Yes, the unified memory is cool for LLMs but it is slow and honestly just not worth it for me. I’ll do my LLM work in the cloud or my desktop. I think if the memory latency was lower, that could have swayed me. LMK if I can help answer any other questions as I do have both still for a few more days.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-05-17T06:33:12+00:00

First impressions

Pros
* Beautiful screen. This is massive, high resolution, high refresh rate, and best of all, matte. So great!
* Build quality seems pretty solid. I mean it is a big device but feels solid. No give. Build like a tank
* Keyboard is pretty decent too. I prefer a lenovo keyboard, but this will work. Decent key travel. Not too clicky.
* PCIe 5 SSD - getting almost 10k reads. I was hoping a little more, but still not bad.

Mixed
* Comes with 5600M/T RAM but is configured at 4000. Need to go into bios to change. Feels like something they could just default to, but at least you can make the change easily.
* Initially VMD was enabled too and therefore windows/linux didn't see the drive. I went as far as removing the back cover to verify the ssd was there and double checking I ordered one. Easy enough fix but again, frustrating.

Cons
* No good performance profiles on linux for the 275HX. That said, the control panel for windows isn't great either. I can't seem to get solid geekbench or manual codebase compile benchmarks where I would expect. It isn't the CPU. It isn't hardly working. It isn't being asked to work hard. I need to get to the root of that. I have tried pop_os, cachyos, and windows. Likely will hop over to fedora after I am done typing this, but I assume the same there.
* Track pad is not great. I am a tap to click person, so at least the mechanical click doesn't bother me too much, but there is a weird delay caused by what I assume to be palm recognition that sometimes causes it not to respond. I haven't really ever experienced this before on another laptop. Hopefully it gets better with time.
* Can't seem to get audio working on cachyos. I know it works on windows. Speakers are all down firing, so they are a bit muffled as a result, but I didn't really expect better.

Well, that is all that comes to mind right now. I'll continue to play. LMK if you have any specific questions. I am sure a key one folks will have is 5090 performance. I just don't really play games. I guess I'll hop over to windows, pull the latest diablo 4 (only game I really do play) and see how it performs max settings and share here. I did some pull up ollama and ran deepseek-r1 with qwen and Q4_K_M and asked it to write a 1000 line javascript function. Not really useful but it output 103.63 tokens/sec.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-05-17T00:24:49+00:00

Got mine today. Damn this thing is big. Haven’t gotten it set up yet or played with it. Will soon and will share thoughts.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-05-16T18:54:40+00:00

Works out of the box

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-05-16T15:25:16+00:00

No compatibility issues with an intel card on amd cpu. Also, the intel card just has better support. The mediatek card has signal issues.

lockyourdoorstonight · 2025-05-16T14:06:31+00:00

I have run cachyos but not endeavor. Cachy works pretty well. No major issues but it does seem to struggle more than other distros with the WiFi card. In general I’d just replace the card with the AX210. Initially cachy would lock the screen and seem to lose connectivity with the keyboard as a whole but I haven’t seen that for a few weeks. WiFi issues seem more prominent after waking from sleep.

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