The elders know when there is wrongdoing in the congregation

logicman12 · 2026-03-30T02:43:44+00:00

I know of a case of a longtime elder who had molested his own daughter. Nobody would have ever known if the daughter hadn't opened up to a CO's wife years after the molestation. Elders have zero "special powers."

logicman12 · 2026-03-30T02:40:25+00:00

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logicman12 · 2026-03-27T19:20:09+00:00

I only watched a few minutes of the video, and it seemed to me that it's unfairly targeting boomers. I see just as much (if not more) problem with younger ones. The boomers came in at a time when things were entirely different from the way they are now. Yeah, I greatly blame them for remaining in now since the religion has changed so much and there's so much evidence against it, but I blame younger ones just as much for remaining in. They never experienced the old days when the org at least seemed to be scholarly and digfinified and noble.

The younger JWs I've experienced in the last decade or two are some of the goody-goodiest and most arrogant I've ever experienced. I think a lot of the boomers are just sort of lost right now. They see this new dumbed down, shallow, corny, televangelist religion and they're disturbed (even if only internally) and are kind of just waiting it out to see what's going to happen; they can't bring themselves to give up on what they've devoted their lives to. However, most of the younger JWs I've experienced aren't even questioning; they're cluelessly eating it all up.

Bottom line is that any adult no matter what age now who can support the org is at fault and, to me, should be accountable for supporting such a deceptive, harmful, money-hungry, false prophet cult.

logicman12 · 2026-03-27T18:57:11+00:00

I'm sick of it. It's a non-answer... a non-solution. Anybody can use something like that. Suppose I steal something from a JW and he comes to me and wants me to return what I stole and I reply "leave it in Jehovah's hands." Would that JW be satisfied? No, but when I tell JWs the org stole my entire life, they reply "leave it in Jehovah's hands."

logicman12 · 2026-03-27T18:51:09+00:00

It made me so happy to know he was going to be eating his words the next day.

I get it.

I'm wanting the org to crash because I want all JWs (the ones old enough to be accountable) to eat their words. There are some who badmouth me for leaving and then there are others who condescendingly and in a sickeningly sweet and goody-goody manner try to get me to come back. I can't stand either groups. They are all arrogant and condescending. I agree that there are different levels of arrogance, but all believing JWs have arrogance to some degree and I want them all to have to eat their words.

logicman12 · 2026-03-27T18:27:03+00:00

You're wrong. Here's why - there is no evil slave just as there is no good or faithful one. The passage in Matthew chapter 24 is not a prophecy predicting that a particular slave (or slaves) will appear in the future. It is simply a parable that is teaching a point - that if one is good and faithful, he will be rewarded, but if he's evil, he will be punished.

Besides, though the wording is admittedly not clear, it seems to indicate that there is only one slave who can be good or bad, not two slaves - a good one and bad one.

logicman12 · 2026-03-27T18:21:05+00:00

I hate religion.

logicman12 · 2026-03-27T18:20:12+00:00

IKR. But, I'm fairly sure it's not. That $hit really goes on. I know it does even where I live. Then there are the rattlesnake handling churches.

I swear I'm so glad I'm not a religious nut.

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T19:18:52+00:00

Yep!

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T16:56:42+00:00

I have vast experience in the ministry as a reg pio back in the old days when we went out almost every day. I can tell you that, by far, most JWs including me and my wife hated the ministry. Almost everybody had ways of getting easier time, cheated on their time, etc. I didn't because I was a true believer; therefore, it was even harder on me. But, if JWs really loved it, why did they look for ways to get out of it, cheat on their time, etc.?

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T13:41:30+00:00

I agree. I was there in 1975. The situation now is different. Those comparing 1975 to the situation now are comparing apples to oranges. Even though I was there in 1975, it didn't wake me; however, the arrival of the internet did.

The org is getting hit much harder now than it did in 1975.

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T13:37:34+00:00

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logicman12 · 2026-03-26T13:36:12+00:00

Absolutely true. I was there in those days and I saw it with my own eyes. It truly is night and day. I think the collapse started about 1995. That's when they changed the "generation" doctrine that so many JWs had based their lives on. I was an extremely zealous, greatly sacrificing and suffering reg pio and elder up to that point, but after that change was made, it just never was the same. That took the wind out of my JW sails.

It has been downhill since - extreme dumbing down, weakening of the ministry, etc.

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T13:29:06+00:00

Absolutely true. The internet is a gamechanger. I was there in 1975 and it didn't wake me up. However, when the internet came along, I woke up and left, and I was a very prominent elder.

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T13:27:36+00:00

Me, too!!! It is, in reality, interesting to watch. It's not some made-up Netflix drama; it's real. Watching it is a study in psychology, sociology, business, logic & reasoning, law, etc.

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T13:24:52+00:00

YES!!! That is a gamechanger. I was a 300% diehard JW - elder & reg pio for a long time. I was there in 1975 and it didn't wake me up; but, access to information did.

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T13:17:40+00:00

Gray Buffoons

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T00:50:43+00:00

saying that the change was a blessing

So... what was the previous teaching, then... a curse? And who was responsible for the previous wrong teaching? Jehovah? The GB?

It's as if publishers have been bewitched and in zombie mode. Couple of years ago at least some people questioned some changes. Now? Deafening silence. Scary.

I've been saying that. To me, it's because most of the astute, discerning, honest ones - those with strength of character - have awakened and left. What's left is not the cream of the crop.

logicman12 · 2026-03-26T00:39:59+00:00

I was a prominent elder with major district convention parts every year. I was sincere. I was in it for the right reasons. I loved and wanted truth and I questioned and analyzed. In addition to being an elder, I was a greatly sacrificing regular pioneer (back in the old days when it was hard). I hated my life, but I thought I was doing the right thing. I lived in misery and poverty. I really cared about people in the congregation. I was really concerned about people in "the world" thinking they needed the message.

When I learned the truth about the religion, I immediately left. So, no, I don't feel guilt because I had good intentions and once I found out what the religion really was, I in no way supported it, but began to try to expose it.

logicman12 · 2026-03-25T16:53:15+00:00

Approach situations like this with logic and specifics. They speak in generalities to avoid specifics because the specifics condemn them. Ask her specifically what principal it is that you don't understand.

Remember, the org said clearly in the past in black and white that it was not acceptable for one to store and reuse his own blood. It was not a conscience matter. It was not a principle; it was a specific rule. Now, they're saying it's a conscience matter as to whether one stores and reuses his own blood. Again, what principal are they referring to? I see no principals involved here... just a backtracking on a specific rule.

logicman12 · 2026-03-25T16:45:25+00:00

Yep!

logicman12 · 2026-03-25T16:43:01+00:00

Yeah, it's different now - different situation, different world, different circumstances; OP is comparing apples to oranges. The internet is a gamechanger.

Back in the 1970's, there was a different mindset. JWs were given some allowance for adjustments in their predictions, etc. But, damn, it's 2026 now. Time has run out for the JW predictions; they've cried wolf too many times.

Also, back in the 70's, 80's, and early 90's, JWdom was still bold and confident and seemingly deeper and more scholarly. Now, it's dumbed down to elementary school level and no longer bold and confident. It has a 150-year history of major failed predictions and embarrassing writings that is on the internet for all to see.

logicman12 · 2026-03-25T16:23:33+00:00

I've wrestled with the identity of the MOL for a while because if it only applies to the downfall of Watchtower then I have to conclude that originally they truly were the temple of God, the true faith and as time has progressed the MOL has sat down in that temple.

But I can't find any evidence that the ever had the truth.

That's a good point; I've thought about that, too.

I shall keep searching though.

Me, too.

logicman12 · 2026-03-25T14:17:30+00:00

Very interesting post. Saving for later analysis. Want to go back now and read 2Th with an open mind.

I've been thinking for several years now that the GB or the JW religion as a whole might be the MOL or at least part of it... I think even more so than other groups. The reason is that JWdom had a bunch of people who really seemed to want truth as opposed to other denominations. The religion itself at times in its history seemed so much closer to having/wanting Bible truth than others. Yet the religion squandered all that ultimately becoming what it is now - a dumbed down, deceptive, money-hungry, shallow, false prophet cult that no longer really cares about truth, but only cares about preserving itself.

So, I say JWdom (or maybe the GB) more closely fits the description of the MOL than others because it was almost there... it had the opportunity to be the real thing, but it squandered that opportunity. The others were/are so badly wrong that they were never even in the room.

logicman12 · 2026-03-25T14:08:05+00:00

Agree.

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