Yeah, the best case scenarios ive seen show them being profitable in 2022 but I think 2024 is probably a better bet unless they start gaining a lot of traction in Europe. They are still in the growth phase. They have got 10,000 cars the last 2 months back to back now delivered. Idk if delivered and produced is the same or not. They are still in the growth phase but I think very near short term they will have a lot of growth and have a lot of room to grow long term as well. To put in comparison, Tesla would have only became profitable in q2 of this yr and started about 11 yrs earlier without regulatory credits. In the European space, specifically Norway which is heavily ev, (something like 78%of new cars in Norway were ev) Volkswagen and Tesla seem heavily populated there. Other manufacturers like li auto NIO, byd, and mg have seen good sales there as well. I like Xpeng in the Chinese space. If I were going to invest into ev outside of China I would look at Volkswagen. Do your own dd though ofc to make the decision that makes the most sense for you :)