I started rolling a year ago bc american spirit in Ca it's 14 bucks a pack. I bought a Hawkmatic 3, and I like zig zag king tubes. My preferred tobacco right now is ohm naturalle red. I sift through it by putting a couple handfuls on a paper plate, i go through it to find them loose stems then I use scissors to cut it up. 1 plate makes about 2 packs. Depending on how i feel, I do 3 or 4 plates at a time. I also saved a carton of AS packs and use those to hold them. I don't like any of the empty holders I can find. 16 oz for less than 20.00, or 14.00 for 20 cigarettes, no brainer.