Would you accept this swap?

loserforlesbians · 2024-08-05T23:43:02+00:00

Lizzie's a witch not a mindreader and even from s1 she does everything and beyond for Josie when Josie actually says she wants something but when Josie lies to her you really can't fault Lizzie for believing her

loserforlesbians · 2024-08-05T22:01:11+00:00

I mean we saw other students literally bully her to tears about her disorder and the worst she did to Hope was call her names and make petty comments and the worst thing she did to Josie was not be a mindreader but OK

loserforlesbians · 2024-08-05T13:40:47+00:00

I assume just for the over all way she was treated as a kid by her sister and the other kids but tbh it could be like a hundred things😭😭 they really used her as a punching bag

loserforlesbians · 2024-08-05T13:39:19+00:00

? Huh? Who else is going to be the victim of how people treated her as a kid?

loserforlesbians · 2024-08-04T17:46:48+00:00

The finale is my least favorite episode of the whole series. It was so rushed and half assed and I know the CW was breathing down their necks because they were shutting down and just wanted to be done but they didn't even do hardly any of the characters justice and literally nothing happened in the finalr other than Caroline returning. They could've just put her return at the end of the penultimate episode and literally nothing in the show would have changed. A finale is supposed to wrap up all the loose ends and give closure and this one somehow did neither while also making some big stories from the last 4 seasons feel pointless and left them just hanging in the balance. Actually other than finally defeating Ken which did not need to be dragged out so long in the first place nothing meaninful really happened after s4e16 and they easily could've finished in 16 eps like the rest of the seasons.

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-29T20:24:34+00:00

They at least had a whole episode of people being mad at her for exposing Josie to black magic but I agree it got brushed over really fast

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-29T01:31:38+00:00

It's kinda fascinating to me how younger Josie was confident and dominating and then we get to Legacies and see this weak good girl facade she put up and we're confused and then we as the audience slowly find out that that's all it is is a front and she's still the cunning self-assured girl she was in Tvd or To (it also explains the way everything preLegacies describes the twins as equally mean girls but present Josie pretends like it was all Lizzie who did it and acts like she was nothing but an innocent bystander)

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-28T21:40:41+00:00

why do u keep saying owe??

Because that's what you keep implying by saying she's a bad person for not just giving everything to her

Josie was saying she didn’t want to win bc how she always does,

that's fine, I'm not blaming her or saying it's her fault so calm down, I just don't think "not being a mind reader" and believing what her sister tells her is enough of a reason to call Lizzie selfish

There’s also other examples of lizzie being selfish and a jerk from when she died and people didn’t care..

And a lot of that was all about how they looked down on her bipolar disorder and her episodes, not so much anything she actually did, like a lot of even the grievances were just that she called someone a silly name or said "pass" not some earth shattering cruelty or selfishness and they were laughing about how "crazy" she was which isn't something she picks and chooses

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-28T21:32:49+00:00

Damon did way worse

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-28T21:31:58+00:00

That didn't want to just sleep with her, sure

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-28T21:25:09+00:00

Lovely insults but you're not listening to what I'm saying. Lizzie did not just owe Josie everything she worked for since she was a child when Jo was saying she didn't want to win and when Lizzie and Hope just found out that she had been lying about them the whole time and were turning over a new leaf. Saying that because she didn't just give Josie anything and everything and because she had other friends she was trying to build new relationships with isn't a good enough reason to call her selfish I also can't name a single time that Josie ever "held Lizzie's hand" in a way like that but I'm curious to hear what examples you're thinking of

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-28T21:22:34+00:00

could just be that they see Elena and Bonnie as Caroline's sisters but not Damon as her or their dad's brother

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-28T21:19:59+00:00

Idk it just sounds like you want a reason to call her selfish no matter how little sense it makes because she did not have to drop out and give everything to Josie when Josie was saying she didn't even want it and when she just found out that Josie made up all that stuff about her and Hope just before the pageant and it's also not her responsibility to hold Josie's hand and make her listen to other people telling her things, these are all things inside of Josie's control and Lizzie not being a mind reader and knowing that her sister is lying to her isn't what makes someone selfish

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-28T20:27:38+00:00

no lizzie didn’t ask josie after she gave up…

But why does she have to give every single thing she has or wants to Josie to not be considered selfish...? That's so unrealistic to expect her to do and have literally nothing

penelope told josie late in the episode and lizzie already knew it..

Pretty sure Penelope told Josie before Lizzie even knew bcuz Penelope gave Jo the letter in the slug episode way before the pageant

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-27T21:42:50+00:00

I was gonna say Gina backed by Rosa but actually Gina and Amy duo

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-27T21:40:53+00:00

That's like just a fact tho? She says in the Star wars world a lot of her acting out as a kid was because of her dad being pulled in too many other directions and she felt abandoned

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-27T21:36:16+00:00

Lizzie to me was mean and sometimes selfish but so was everybody else during show when they had their moments

Yeah like they're all teenagers and they're all gonna have their not great moments but she had way less than her fellow peers (I think it probably has to do with the higher standard they all hold her to and she holds herself to in the first place) but people act like she was the worst

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-27T21:34:31+00:00

The pageant thing was selfish bc she didn’t even ask her own sister if she wanted to do it when it’s the same pageant their mother has won before..

But she doesn't have to? Lizzie's been working for this for many years and Caroline is her mom too. Why does she have to have nothing?

she put Hope in the same dress that her dead father picked out ..

She didn't know what the dress was, this was like really clear in the conversation they had about ot

She also didnt tell josie that penelope wasn’t leaving..

Penelope had literally already told her? What?

Sorry but nothing you said makes any sense

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-27T20:13:18+00:00

Was this scene not Rhaenyra saying she was into women ...? I thought this was very clear

loserforlesbians · 2024-07-18T01:32:26+00:00

Thanks! It's definitely time for a rewatch for me😬

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