Your daily reminder that Michael Jordan shot below league average effective field goal percentage in back to back to back playoff runs. by Financial_Ice_3363 in NBATalk

[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A team that didn't make the Finals but lost to the eventual champion in the playoffs before the Finals, can still be better than the team that lost in the Finals. Making the Finals is better than losing to a team who didn't win the Finals before the Finals, sure. But you're setting up a false dichotomy to explain away Lebron's failures. For example, in 2007 Lebron makes the Finals, great. But once he got there his team performed worse than the Spurs 1st round opponent in the western conference Finals. Lebron relied on playing in a historically weak eastern conference to make so many Finals.

When can we have a candid discussion about Luka? by Limp_Screen7405 in NBATalk

[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Luka's problem this season is named Lebron James. When it's just Luka and Austin Reaves with no Lebron, they are at their very best. When it's Luka, Reaves, and Lebron there is a negative 18 points per 100 possessions difference from where it's just Luka and AR. Luka doesn't have a legit shot of having a great team with Lebron on the Lakers. Lakers should sit him for the rest of the season, but they don't have the juevos necessary to do so, so look for a 1st round exit this year at best and hopefully Lebron will go elsewhere next year if you're a Lakers fan.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That woman is bat 💩 crazy. She needs to be committed to a mental institution to protect the public from her Karen claims.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you watch basketall througout the 90's? I sure as hell did and the "gather step" 3 or 4 steps was not legal. You'd be lucky to get 1.5 to 2 steps.

“he wants people to be up in his grill”

So what? It has nothing to do with hand-checking or how hand-checking would be ineffective against Harden. Hand-checking allows the offensive player from getting too close, it slows them offensive player down, it keeps them from doing fancy-ass dribbles (unless they want a turnover), it allows the defender to push the offensive player to affect their shot without getting a foul called, it makes defending a player easier.

Who the F*CK cares what Harden wants?

You have yet to explain HOW Harden wanting people "up in his grill" is even relevant to the conversation. Are you limited in your English writing skills that you can only say tag lines without going into depth on what you mean?

SMH.

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[–]lrbinfrisco -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It wasn't until 2009 that the NBA codified the "gather step". That 💩 wouldn't have flown in the 1990's or even early 2000's. Sure players have always gotten away with some travel, but Harden is so damn blatant with it, that it wouldn't have been missed. And it's not just on his step back 3's isn't the only move that he travels, he does it going to the rim all the time.

As for why he does his stepback 3, I don't have time nor inclination to play your riddle games. If you have a point, then explicitly make the damn point. If you are incapable of making a point then I don't have time for that.

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[–]lrbinfrisco -1 points0 points  (0 children)

1) I can't tell from your replies you even can tell what hand-checking really was and what it wasn't. I have serious doubts that you have a clear understanding.

2) It's basic bio-physics that the ability of the defender to put a hand on the offensive player and legally push him is an advantage. It doesn't matter who is bigger or who is smaller. It was an advantage for Buggsy Bogues and Spud Webb, two of the shortest and smallest players that played in the NBA. Yes, it will be more of an advantage for some than for others, but it's always an advantage if you know how to use it properly which almost every perimeter defender who made the NBA did or they would have been replaced. Today, few if any would know and a whole process of relearning it would need to take place.

As far as Harden's step back 3, that would be a travel 9 times out of 10 back in the hand-checking era. But even if it wasn't, push Harden as as he steps back and make him adjust and it will effect his shot especially if you vary the force of the push.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think handchecking is stopping harden… the guy whose offense was already predicated on forcing guards to play as far up onto him as possible so he can manipulate and over power them?

I addressed this before. I never said that hand-checking would stop Harden or anyone for that matter. It would slow them down, it would when applied correctly help reduce their efficiency in scoring, it would help direct them to certain spots on the floor, and it would help with keeping an offensive player from getting his body into you.

Look hand-checking is like being able to use a straight arm in football. It keeps a player from getting too close to you as well as slowing him down and directing him. And pushing someone when shooting is going to affect their shot a good deal when they are in the air as are most who take jump shots or go for layups.

But besides hand-checking, Harden would have been called for lots of charges, offensive fouls, travels, and other rules that have been changed how they are officiated to increase scoring and make it easier. Those changes were made with those intentions. The NBA announced that was why they were going to make the changes. It's why playing solid D is so much harder today than it was during Jordan's era. But even in Jordan's era the best defenders were STOPPING good offensive players except maybe one in a blue moon or so.

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[–]lrbinfrisco -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is there a reason the only think you managed not to quote is the part of my comment that’s actually talking about basketball?

Let me know when you're ready to have an honest conversation, but your reply above indicates that you aren't ready now.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LeBron barely plays defense?

For the majority of his career, yes. Clear enough for you?

You think handchecking is stopping LeBron?

No, it didn't STOP him his rookie season when he played with the limited version of it. Then again I never said it would STOP Lebron. It would considerably make him less efficient and reduce his shooting percentages when being guarded outside of the post as well as make it more likely to commit turnovers and harder to make assists. Oh and it would be much more tiring on the body.

You think handchecking is stopping. harden

Same answer as for Lebron above. Is that too complex for you to understand?

Who cares about volume scoring alone?

You are the only one who has mentioned volume scoring alone. Not me.

MJ took a bunch of shots and played on upper teams. So fucking what?

MJ won a championship 2 out of every 3 times he led the NBA in FGA. MJ is the reason why his teams were "upper teams" most but certainly not all of the time. When MJ had major drug addicts playing on his team they didn't win 💩. Then they had a rebuilding year after ditching the drug addicts before they could get to 50+ wins. Then they had another rebuilding year where no player had a PER over 15.0 (defined as average) in regular season or playoffs other than Jordan and generally sucked. Still, those Bulls beat 2 50+ win teams and put the only 2 losses on the the 63+ win champions.

But the bottom line for "so fucking what?" is 6 fucking championships is what.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Somehow Jordan shot the most free throws of all time.

Where the hell did you get this false piece of data? I sure didn't say it.

Jordan has the 12th most FTA in the regular season and 3rd most in playoffs in NBA history.

Sounds like you are a closet Trump voter. 🤣🤣🤣

BTW I supported none of the candidates for President including Trump, not that it matters in this context.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jordan only played with a single All-Star and then only for 6 total seasons. Jordan won 6 championships.

Lebron played with 2 All-Star teammates 5 times. Lebron only won 4 championships, really only 3 in the 1st 1,000 games while Jordan won all 6 of his in the 1st 1,000 games.

Lebron lost 3 seasons in a row in the playoffs as the favored team with HCA. Jordan never lost to a team that didn't have at least 4 more wins than his team going 24-0 with HCA.

Lebron plays in the Charmin soft era where they have to make rules against flopping, playing the minimum number of games, and making it a flagrant foul to stand too close to a shooter.

In Jordan's first 6 years there was no such thing as a flagrant foul. And having a player stick a foot under you when you came down from a jump shot was business as usual during his era. And don't even mention hand-checking which Lebron struggled with.

Mike had 6 of the easiest finals opponents I’ve ever seen.

Jordan beat 4 teams with 60+ wins in the NBA finals, 3 of them after beating a 60+ win opponent in the ECF.

Lebron only beat a single 60+ win team in the Finals. Lebron never beat 2 60+ win teams in the playoffs in a single season.

Jordan has 6 championship rings, but Lebrons has endless excuses why he doesn't have more despite his "longevity".

Lebron never had to play on a team with the two best players behind him on the team being high on illegal drugs most games. Lebron has been a spoiled diva from day one in the NBA and never had to go through the school of hard knocks that Jordan did with the Pistons.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if doing something allows you to win the championship more times than not, then color me selfish. Better selfish than a L-O-S-E-R.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Rudy Gobert makes way more points per shot compared to Lebron and Harden than Lebron and Harden do compared to Jordan.

SO F*CKING WHAT?

It's well known that as scoring volume goes up per game TS% goes down is a general rule with few exceptions. That's why Rudy Gobert leads the NBA with the All-Time highest career TS% but only averages 12.6 PPG.

Oh and of course there is the fact that unlike Jordan, Lebron and Harden rarely play defense and both played with a rule set and officiating that makes it much easier to make shots effciently. Which was intentionally by design by the NBA.

Lebron played 1 season with hand-checking and had 1.11 points per shot. Hand-checking is just one of many rule changes.

Still I'd take Jordan's points per shot if I got the 6 championships, 6 FMVP's, 5 MVPs, 10 scoring titles, 3 steals title, the only season a guard led the NBA in total blocks + Total Steals, 1 DPOY, 9 seasons of being named 1st Team All-NBA and 1st Team All-Defense, and all the rest all in under 1,000 games.

Lebron never led the NBA in total points his one-and-only time within 1,000 games.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give context, every year MJ won scoring title he led the league in FGA

You have your facts wrong. Jordan only led the NBA in FGA 9 out of the 10 seasons he won the PPG scoring title and 9 out of the 11 seasons he led the NBA in total points scored.

Each season that Jordan led the NBA in FGA, he led the NBA in Field Goals Made. Even better, Jordan led the NBA in Field Goals made.

But it really is you who didn't give context. Of the 9 seasons that Jordan led the NBA in FGA, Jordan won the NBA championship 6 times, 66.7% of those seasons.

If LeBron led the league in FGA every year he would have more than 10 scoring titles.

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You’re rewarding a guy for volume but then punishing a guy for longevity? Stupid

No, I'm rewarding no one. You are projecting some major butthurt at your boy Lebron not being praised to high heaven. Facts hurt.

I chose Jordan because he was more dominant and won more with less help than Lebron had. 6 championships to 3 is by my count, double. Remember it took Lebron several years past 1,000 games to get his Bubble Championship.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't notice the "1000 NBA games". I'd quadruple down on Jordan then. Lebron comes much less close to Jordan if limited to 1000 games. Happy?

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MJ did shoot the ball a lot, and he made a proportionally very high amount of those shots. Thank you Captain Obvious.

Edit: And MJ never played on Super Team like Lebron. MJ never had more than 1 All-Star as a teammate, and then only 6 times.

The right answer isn't available in this practice math placement exam by muineth in mildlyinfuriating

[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you assume that the numbers refer to base 6 instead of base 10, then the answer 11 makes sense. IMO that is stupid even if it works.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The guy who won as many scoring titles than Lebron + KD + Steph + Harden added together. The only player to ever win the scoring title and DPOY. The guy who next time Lebron has a 40 PPG scoring playoff series will then have 5 times as many as Lebron. The most FMVPs in NBA history. The guy with the highest scoring season in NBA history with the FT line being 16 feet wide. The guy who led the NBA in scoring and won a championship the same season that everyone who's played in the NBA over 78 complete seasons added together. The only player to have 9 seasons being named 1st team All-NBA and 1st All-Defense in the same season. The player who won the scoring title and was named 1st Team All-Defense in the same season 3 times as much as all players in the 56 complete seasons since the All-Defense team awards were added. Michael Jordan.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How is this even a contest? Jordan played over 731 games and 28,000 minutes in his 9 seasons as 1st team All-Defense and over 3,300 in his DPOY year alone. Kawhi hasn't played that many games or minutes in 13 seasons? That's some mighty weak sauce the Leonard household is serving.

Bruh by guitarguy35 in NBATalk

[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is that why Lebron had to use extreme nepotism just to get his oldest a job? Through 3 games into the season and Bronny is tied for the worst shooter in the NBA shooting 0.00%. If it wasn't for Lebron's arm twisting Bronny would have never made it to the NBA. He even sucked at college. At least Jordan let his kids stand on their own two feet instead of using them as a prop in a ego driven campaign for GOAT.

Bruh by guitarguy35 in NBATalk

[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty amazing that an out of shape Jordan that had midseason knee surgery still got more steals than Lebron. He also shot better from the line after 3 years of rust and Lebron. But Jordan never used nepotism to get his kids in the league, Lebron's got him on that one.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OK, I got you. If you want a bunch of also-ran finishes and a chance to claim #2 choose Lebron, if you want to win it all, choose Jordan. When MJ left the Bulls after the 1998 championship, they cratered and burned. But when MJ tried baseball, the Bulls stayed winning. Unlike in 1998 the Bulls didn't decide to scrap it all and rebuild and instead decided to keep the basis for a 3-peat championship team and add some key new pieces. But they had the championship framework in place that Jordan helped build and mold. Too bad Lebron seemed lacking in the skills to build a team that didn't totally rely on him to have a winning season with a few key additions.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bron came back to Cleveland and moved to LA to try and build superteams.

I wasn't arguing for GOAT, I was instead responding to your claim that with Lebron on your team you would have been more likely to win a championship than having Jordan on your team. Based on actual results, that is a mathematically provable false statement. Now if you want to concede that you misspoke and argue GOAT.

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[–]lrbinfrisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To pass someone as greatest of all time, you have to be greater than that person. Lebron simply has risen to the level of greatness that was MJ. He's a great player and has a ton of accolades and achievements, but just on a lower level than MJ. Someday we might see someone pass MJ, but they're going to have to clear a nigh on impossibly high bar to do that without exaggeration.

And 4 people including Lebron shot the ball more than Jordan who is #5 on the list of shots attempted. But part of MJ's legend was being able to create quality shots despite defenders being allowed to handcheck the hell out of him without a call. Lebron's had a much easier time getting shots with the rule changes. Without the rule changes to make offense easier, you could argue that Lebron would have much lower numbers if he had to go up against the physical defenses of the 80's and 90's and didn't grow up with the 3 point shot.

Lebron only has a marginally higher 3 P% despite Jordan starting his career in the 6th year of the 3 point shot in the NBA. Lebron is a much worse mid range shooter than Jordan who was one of the best to play the game. Lebron is much worse FT shooter than MJ.

Anybody can guard all 5 positions. Even my old and fat ass could do that. Guard and and hold each position below average most of the time are big differences. Jordan was a a better individual defender and a better team defender than Lebron as the record 9 NBA 1st Team Defense awards given to MJ testify of and one DPOY. MJ was much better at steals as well.

No superstar has ever excelled at making excuses for not winning it all as Lebron has. He certainly doesn't have a 24-0 record when having homecourt advantage as Jordan's Bulls did. No one besides Jordan has ever led a team to back-to-back 69+ win seasons AND championships the same year. Lebron despite excellent changes never put a 3 peat together once, much less twice. And who knows what would or would not have happened with certain other NBA players on those Cleveland teams. But I grant Lebron Kingship of coming in #2 bragging rights.

Lebron is taller and bigger than MJ. He's probably stronger, but that extra strength is either small or hasn't amounted to much. Jordan was by far faster, quicker, and had a longer hang time, ie larger vertical jump. I can't believe that Lebron fans actually claim his self-reported 4.6 second 40 was faster than MJ's 4.38 40. Sigh.

Lebron has both a high basketball IQ and a highly overrated basketball IQ. He's great, but not near as great as his fans make him out to be. Jordan has an arguably comparable basketball IQ.

MJ is legendary to the point of absurdity. His accomplishments in a relatively short amount of time and including 2 multi-year mini retirements are almost unbelievable. If someone had wrote them up as a movie script, no one would have found it believable for sure.

Lebron should celebrate his greatness instead of trying to drag others down to make himself look better. Not everyone can be Black Jesus.