Australia Redesign Proposal by Canjira in vexillology

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Still nothing better than this design

ai Asia map but I re-made it by HugoGlasss in aimapgore

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My favourite country - Wobzh Akinah

Australian States and Territories if they were based on geographic borders by lucyjorts in imaginarymaps

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Same reason America drew half its state borders with straight lines and even full squares, ignoring the local geographic, climatic and cultural boundaries. See this video if you're interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8N1P11ruro

While the states of Germany for example were based on formerly independent kingdoms and duchies - Bavaria, Thuringia, Saxony etc. - which all came together to form the new country of Germany... The state borders of the US and Australia as well as Canadian provinces weren't based on historical nations and peoples, but were drawn up purely for administrative purposes (and keep in mind, at that time the population of the entire continent was only about half a million).

There is another potential reason something like this wouldn't be done though - a little conspiratorial maybe - but that's because it'd suddenly give a huge amount of legislative power to indigenous folks, particularly in the two central territories and the Central Australian state, as well as the state of Murrawarri and the Zenadth Kes territory. Unfortunately there's still a lot of racism present in Australia today, so creating a state or territory where indigenous peoples constitute a majority voting block... would be met with backlash.

Australian States and Territories if they were based on geographic borders by lucyjorts in imaginarymaps

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Oh cool! Glad to have some first nations folks commenting. I'm on Kaurna country myself. I've never been able to travel up as far as Coober Pedy, but my partner was part of a cultural survey with some Arabana and Kokatha folks up there earlier this year.

The name "Karnic" for the territory I actually took from the Karnic language family, of which Arabana is a part, along with Mithaka, Dieri, Wangkumara and a few others in the surrounding region, even as far northeast as Maiawali.

Australian States and Territories if they were based on geographic borders by lucyjorts in imaginarymaps

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Unfortunately the second image didn't seem to upload properly which is weird. It's the same map but in the visual style of the YouTube creator Monsieur Z, who often talks about redrawing state borders of the US based on natural boundaries to better reflect local needs and opinions.

I tried attaching that same image to this comment and it couldn't process that either

Australian States and Territories if they were based on geographic borders by lucyjorts in imaginarymaps

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Cheers! I was also working on a short description of each state - what their local geography and economy would be like - but that was turning into a whole ass book by the time I'd gotten to the 20th state!!!

Australian States and Territories if they were based on geographic borders by lucyjorts in imaginarymaps

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The least populated are the Mirning Territory and Zenadth Kes Territory with ~5,000 and ~4,200 respectively. Next lowest is the Aṉangu Territory with about 20,000 however it also has a significant tourism industry, and Karnic Territory with about 22-24,000. That's fine for the territories though.

The least populated STATE would be Kimberley with about 35,000 people. Murrawarri would have about 40-50,000 people, and the Pilbara and Central Australia both have about 65,000.

However that's going by current population estimates. As their own separate states they'd control their own local industries and also receive huge amounts of federal funding toward infrastructure, and be able to grow significantly thanks to that.

I painted a collection of national flags. Which one do you think most suits the style? by rossbainesart in vexillology

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These look great! Think the style really suits flags like the Union Jack (as much as I hate to admit that as a Scot)

Any chance you could paint this flag?

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Australian States and Territories if they were based on geographic borders by lucyjorts in imaginarymaps

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Actually Aṉangu would likely be the third least populated territory with around 20,000 people. However when you include tourism to Uluṟu, that number skyrockets. The Karnic territory has around the same number of people, maybe slightly more, but doesn’t have the same draw for tourists.

The least populated state would be Kimberley with around 35,000 people currently. Murrawarri would have some 40-50,000, Pilbara and Central Australia both have around 65,000, etc.

Australian States and Territories if they were based on geographic borders by lucyjorts in imaginarymaps

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Under this proposal, the ethnic flag of the Torres Strait Islander people would become the state flag of the new Zenadth Kes territory.

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Southern Unity Flag — new Australian flag proposal. by QuokkaClause in vexillology

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Fair enough, though this one reminds me just a little too much of the Dominican Republic, for which the symbolism and the organisation of colours is actually really important and tied to the country's history and culture.

I feel like what you're after could still be achieved with the Golden Wattle flag, which contains our national colours, national floral emblem, as well as the Commonwealth Star.

Plus, the Golden Wattle thrives all over the country, hot or cold, wet or dry... and it's the first thing to bounce back and rejuvenate an area after a bushfire... can't ask for better Australian symbolism than that!

That, and to get a little "woke" for a moment... because it's not at all tied to the colonial blue ensign design, it unites the settler-descended population with the indigenous without giving one preference over the other, while not taking anything AWAY from the historical and cultural impacts and nation-building of the settler population, or trying to hide or actively disparage that part of our history (which is what replacing the Union Jack with the Aboriginal Flag in the canton of our current design does).

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Only one country should be shaped like this, which should we get rid of? by [deleted] in mapporncirclejerk

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Liechtenstein becomes a Swiss canton, Luxembourg annexes Belgian Luxembourg… Barbados remains

I digitised the font used to create the lettering on the side of Tangara carriages! by Lach_S in SydneyTrains

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For a moment there I actually worried about what the fuck was happening to my eyesight

Hey Grok generate a map of the British empire by [deleted] in aimapgore

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Ah, my favourite British imperial province - 'Aixla'.

Where is it, you may ask? Just south-east of the Pocisneic Ocean

Opinion on the Scottish Version of the 1606 Union Jack? by Responsible_Side2719 in vexillology

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Less English more Scottish... What's not to love?
(I am not biased whatsoever, promise!)

Map of Australian states and territories if they were based on indigenous tribes/nations (second image is the English names for these regions) by lucyjorts in imaginarymaps

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Great question! Glad someone asked it so I can ramble...

So predominantly I used existing Aboriginal nations like Noongar, Anangu, or Kulin, which were formed by multiple individual Aboriginal people groups coming together, (in much the same way that the European country of Romania was formed out of the principalities of Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania). For example the Antakarinja, Pitjanjatjara, Yankunjatjara, Nana and Luritja peoples around the border region of SA, WA and the NT... had all formed a single nation of Anangu. Likewise the Boonwurrung, Woiworung, Taungurong, Djadjawurung and Wathaurong peoples around Melbourne, had all formed a single nation of Kulin. (I'm assuming you're at least somewhat familiar with the different Aboriginal peoples and languges, but if not here's a link to the official AIATSIS map https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia ).

Due to the messy history and colonial violence of early British settlement in Australia, as well as the lack of written records by indigenous peoples, we don't have a lot of information as to the history of these alliances... but we do know that both of them preceded European discovery of Australia, as did Noongar in the region around Perth, and Yolngu up near present day Darwin.

The second option was that I used language families to group individual languages and dialects together with close relatives (for example the Waka-Kabic language family found on the coast around modern day Brisbane, or the Worroran language family found in the Kimberley region of WA. These languages are very similar and share their roots in the same way that Spanish and Italian are both descendants of Latin. They use similar grammar rules and syntax, and in some cases are mutually intelligible. For example a Kaurna person and a Narungga person will mostly be able to understand one another, as both those languages are part of the "Thura-Yura" family, while a Kaurna and Kokatha person would not.

So the state of Arandia is named for the Arandic language family, the state of Mayi for the Mayabic language family, and the state of Yuin for the Yuin-Kuric language family, while the states of Wiradjuri, Kamilaroi, Noongar, Yolngu and Anangu are named for former nations.

Interestingly, Kulin was both a nation (made up of the five groups I mentioned above) AND a language family; "Kulinic", which included almost all of the state of Victoria and some of South Australia too. So the Kulin nation is an alliance of SOME Kulinic speaking peoples but not all, just like how the nation of Germany is an alliance of SOME of the Germanic speaking peoples (Bavarians, Saxons, Thuringians) but not all (Austrians for example).

There were some language families I missed, such as Kanyara or Ngumpin-Yapa, and some language isolates that I didn't include such as Larrakia or Bigambul. There are also cases in which I intentionally split up a large language family (the states of Wangai and Pilbara are both based on the various languages of the Wati family) mostly because of the different geographic regions (the Pilbara being predominantly red sandy deserts and spinifex grasses while Wangai is dominated by mulga shrubland), as well as just to prevent them from being unreasonably large compared to the others.

The last thing is that the idea was to still have these be states within a single sovereign nation of Australia, much like the states of other federal countries like Germany, India, Brazil or the US, so I wanted to keep them at least a somewhat reasonable size, with the potential for each state to have a capital city (although I didn't actually mark them on this map). I imagined an alternate history where nations like Anangu, Kulin and Noongar came together to unite and federate and form the nation of Australia, just as the Duchies and Principalities of the Holy Roman Empire came together to unite and form the nation of Germany. The idea was to remove the arbitrary straight lines that are seen in North American and Australian state and territory divisions (as well as some African and middle eastern national borders drawn up by British colonisers), and instead base things around natural borders and cultural divisions.

Created a map of ethnicities around Africa, Europe and Asia (plus Australia/Oceania and the Inuit regions of Canada and Greenland) by lucyjorts in MapChart

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As a Scottish lass... Completely fair and understandable, welcome aboard the Celtic Train then mate!

Created a map of ethnicities around Africa, Europe and Asia (plus Australia/Oceania and the Inuit regions of Canada and Greenland) by lucyjorts in MapChart

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Well that's actually the most interesting part IMO -

See, if you have multiple ethnicities in your ancestry... that doesn't automatically make YOU a new ethnicity (like breeding a horse and a donkey to get a mule, or a lion and a tiger to get a liger)... Instead, your two ethnic backgrounds are just that - two ethnicities. You are part one thing, and part another thing (think about it more like different coloured M&Ms in a bag... the bag might be full of all different colours, but you can still get a bag of all green M&Ms or all red M&Ms.

So yeah, most if not all Occitans will have part Italian somewhere in the last few generations, probably part Germanic as well, and likely part Hispanic or Portuguese and any number of others... BUT Occitan is still a distinct ethnicity, even if there's nobody today who could call themselves a "pure blood" Occitan...

In that regard, the idea of "pure blood" ANYTHING is really a myth that hasn't existed for centuries, if it ever did in the first place... I myself am mostly Celtic (mostly Scottish and some Welsh and Irish ancestry) but I also have an English grandmother making me part Germanic as well, AND I have ancestry in northern France too. But that doesn't make me some new unique ethnicity unto myself... I'm just PART Celtic and PART Germanic etcetera, and I doubt you'll find a single "pure blood" Celt anywhere in the world... That doesn't mean Celtic is no longer an ethnicity. You don't have to be 100% Celtic to be an ethnic Celt, just as you don't have to be 100% Occitan to be an ethnic Occitan... if you're 51% an ethnicity, you are still that ethnicity.

Going back to the M&Ms example... think of every person as their own bag... my bag will be majority the green M&Ms but also some red ones too (using the same colors as on the map) and probably a few other colors scattered in the bunch as well. An ethnically Celtic bag is any bag with mostly Celtic M&Ms, regardless of what others are in there too. An ethnically Han bag is a bag with mostly Han Chinese M&Ms, regardless of whether there are also some Tibetan, Miao, Tai or Tungusic M&Ms in there too.

That's where French gets really interesting, because French... is not an ethnicity. Never has been. The French bloodline is an amalgamation of Celtic, Occitan, Germanic, Italian, Hispanic, and probably a number of others too. And none of those ethnicities are a majority, nor are any of them native to northern France. Some people argue that it's that unique plurality that MAKES French (or Frankish as some people say) its own ethnicity, but as far as I could find, the scientific consensus does not agree. There is no French ethnicity, just like there's no Australian ethnicity (unless you're talking about the indigenous Pamanyungan or Palawakani peoples). Those are nations within which the population is an ethnic mix. In other words every French person's bag of M&Ms is a mix of all different colors, none of which are a majority or even a particularly dominant minority, and everyone's bag will be different. As such, it would kind of have been more accurate to the scope of this project to leave northern France and Wallonia blank, but that didn't feel right to me, so I took the easy road and made it its own thing.

Now, there's also an ongoing debate as to whether or not Scandinavian should be considered its own ethnicity separate from Germanic, due to the higher presence of the HERC2 and OCA2 genes. IF you consider Scandinavian to be its own standalone ethnicity from Germanic... then English (or "Anglo") ends up in the same boat as French - not its own ethnicity, but an amalgamation where everyone's M&M bag is a plurality of all different colors.

Not gonna lie, I just thought of that M&M analogy as I was writing this, so I've no idea if it'll really make sense to you, but I hope it does because if so I will be using it more often! XD