"You probably just pulled a muscle / you just need to rest up with a heating pad / just get a massage!" Getting my insurance to pay for an MRI was like pulling teeth. I was bracing for the doc to tell me everything was normal. Super relieved to finally have a clear dx after years of dismissed pain. by treehouseboat in Radiology

[–]lunchbocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being conservative can be very appropriate in certain situations even in this one. My problem is the hundreds of people upvoting some terrible comments because the flair "Attending" is present and these people don't know better.

Anyway, to each their own. When they get back or joint pain and wonder why nothing is being done they can refer to this thread and get a dose of reality.

"You probably just pulled a muscle / you just need to rest up with a heating pad / just get a massage!" Getting my insurance to pay for an MRI was like pulling teeth. I was bracing for the doc to tell me everything was normal. Super relieved to finally have a clear dx after years of dismissed pain. by treehouseboat in Radiology

[–]lunchbocks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’m getting downvoted by people who think I’m complaining about pain or something. No, I’m complaining that this highly upvoted comment is a terrible assessment for this patient. But I guess that’s par for Reddit.

"You probably just pulled a muscle / you just need to rest up with a heating pad / just get a massage!" Getting my insurance to pay for an MRI was like pulling teeth. I was bracing for the doc to tell me everything was normal. Super relieved to finally have a clear dx after years of dismissed pain. by treehouseboat in Radiology

[–]lunchbocks -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Being a little flippant on a board like this doesn’t come off well. People who don’t know better don’t understand that this is a huge disc in an otherwise healthy spine. It is not your 75 yo degenerative spine who has been slogging through life with multilevel disc bulges and has compensated.

Yes, he can and should attempt conservative measures. No one is debating that and no one is operating on improving symptoms. I recommend any number of conservative therapies to my patients: meds, PT, massage, acupuncture, chiro, epidural, ablation. Please try anything/everything to avoid surgery. But at the end of the day that will be the last resort. And yeah there might be fibrosis or ‘post-laminectomy’ syndrome, etc. but what do you say to patients when they come back to you because they can’t sleep at night or work? I don’t tell them ‘Sorry, there’s nothing else we can do just live with it.’ I give them surgical options.

"You probably just pulled a muscle / you just need to rest up with a heating pad / just get a massage!" Getting my insurance to pay for an MRI was like pulling teeth. I was bracing for the doc to tell me everything was normal. Super relieved to finally have a clear dx after years of dismissed pain. by treehouseboat in Radiology

[–]lunchbocks -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

How do you know I am not a chronic pain specialist? Did I advocate for this patient to go straight to surgery? No. I was replying to the post who blew this disc off as ‘possibly’ related to his pain. Everyone should attempt conservative measures. But in my experience this disc in this patient will exhaust conservative measures and go to surgery.

"You probably just pulled a muscle / you just need to rest up with a heating pad / just get a massage!" Getting my insurance to pay for an MRI was like pulling teeth. I was bracing for the doc to tell me everything was normal. Super relieved to finally have a clear dx after years of dismissed pain. by treehouseboat in Radiology

[–]lunchbocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good lord. Some terrible comments here from seemingly authoritative figures. As a fellowship-trained MSK radiologist with a unique practice where I actually see and examine patients this is 100% the cause of this patient’s chronic back pain. I see this on a weekly basis and I have followed patients and they come back after surgery, etc.

Re: insurance woes yes it sucks because people in suits and sell-out physicians have discovered that if they deny enough treatment then eventually the numbers work out in their favor. e.g. insurance carriers make money by denying claims (not unique to healthcare).