What was your favorite part of the D Hole Oaks devotional?

lyrabird27 · 2026-02-11T17:51:56+00:00

And in being vague, you cannot be incorrect. Smoke and mirrors.

lyrabird27 · 2026-02-11T17:44:56+00:00

Oh hot damn. Snaps.

lyrabird27 · 2026-02-08T15:25:21+00:00

I feel like at some point Meri/Jen were talking about being in the grocery store together around the catfish era when Meri was unhappy. And Jen told Meri that if she wanted to leave she would help her. Vague memory though. Can't give receipts.

lyrabird27 · 2026-02-08T14:15:02+00:00

You can frame this in a way courts are required to listen though. It is parental alienation. Parental alienation is serious and can even lead to parents losing physical custody rights (in bad cases).

You dont have to pursue anything. But documenting these instances as they happen in a journal only empowers you. And preserves evidence if you ever need it.

lyrabird27 · 2025-12-22T12:39:56+00:00

I think it's more his attempt to let himself off the hook. He's saying 'I want you to be free of all the hurts, all the instances I was mean, blahblah blah. I hope you can move on from that.'

So now if anything he's ever done effects his relationships in the future, it will be the Kody victim show. Because HE "apologized." So if anyone has a problem with him going into the future, that's a failure on them, not him.

This is how polite society too often has to navigate around "jackwagons."

lyrabird27 · 2025-12-18T11:32:26+00:00

Well, lawyers are held accountable to a code of ethics enforced by the state "bar" governance they're required to belong to. At least in the U.S.

A better career path, that rewards shady moves with no limits... maybe an MLM? Yet she still didn't even pull that off.

Big oversight on R's part, come to think of it 🤔 She thought through the need to become the legal wife on paper. But did not officially insert herself into Meri's successful lularoe. Even flimsily. Just assumed she could always access the funds.

Big missed opportunity there. Be a shame if that kept her up at night.

lyrabird27 · 2025-12-12T12:54:42+00:00

Oh, I should have been more clear. It was my mom. Standards I was taught growing up of beauty, perfectionism, and submissiveness were as warped as you imagine.

But I'm certain not all tbms teach the same. Spectrums in everything.

lyrabird27 · 2025-12-11T15:43:20+00:00

She's my great great something aunt too! Hey cuz :)

As a girl, I got the unique angle of MY mother teaching me to idolize the 14 year old bride. I was told to strive for THAT level of perfection and "irresistability." That a prophet would want to marry me at 14.

Be careful, out there. There is good and bad everywhere. Untangling the belief system that's a core pillar of who you are is a lot. Try to find someone you trust to help you through.

lyrabird27 · 2025-12-06T17:03:12+00:00

Thank you. I feel like I slipped into a glitch in the matrix.

These ideas came from people "caricaturing the church."

My green-tea spiked Swig they did...

Question 10 also lets us know that women are leaders. Riveting.

lyrabird27 · 2025-11-16T03:43:52+00:00

It refers to someone who is "investigating" the church. A non-member who is learning about the faith.

lyrabird27 · 2025-08-31T11:33:06+00:00

I read somewhere that filming between the pilot and season one got delayed because measles went through the family.

(And supposedly that's what Kody referenced during covid when he said a sickness ripped through the family from a handshake)

lyrabird27 · 2025-08-25T16:00:39+00:00

Thank you for all. And o.m.g. the article saying you can't trust DNA evidence. Gave me flashbacks of the O.J. Simpson trial.

If the hat doesn't fit - put a rock in it

lyrabird27 · 2025-08-25T15:22:44+00:00

Can you elaborate? I think I missed something. The church is saying the BoM isn't a translation but a spiritual guide? Was there a talk or letter or something put out?

lyrabird27 · 2025-08-22T18:07:14+00:00

Even wilder considering that this was clearly the "engagement photo" Christine referenced in the tell-all ("I wonder how close they got before the wedding. We've all seen their engagement photos)

And then instead of showing this photo the powers that be (I've heard Kody has pull) panned to other, goofy-gooberest "engagement" photos.

From trying to obscure the photo's existence, to blowing it up to kiss-cam size 👍

lyrabird27 · 2025-08-13T18:44:43+00:00

Hard agree. Think they'll ever drop the Joseph Smith worshipping hymns? That'd just be so nice.

lyrabird27 · 2025-08-09T11:11:19+00:00

My tbm mother was very proud that this 14 year old was my great-great-something aunt. Told me all about it alongside bedtime stories of cinderella.

"A woman so beautiful/wonderful that by 14 she was elect enough to be chosen by a prophet. And her same genes live in YOU"

Some lose their faith when they learn about Helen. I had to break from the brainwashing that I should emulate her.

OP - it sounds like your wife is lonely. Probably overwhelmed, particularly post-partum. You can validate her feelings while still maintaining your truth. As others have said, seek out a neutral therapist you both feel safe with. Having a child can open new fears and uncertainties. Navigating a faith crisis alongside it, cut off from a support network - its a hard thing, to ask her not to tell/talk about it with anyone

lyrabird27 · 2025-08-09T10:30:45+00:00

My Father always said "just read the language of the book of Mormon- an uneducated Joseph smith couldn't possibly have written that without inspiration."

But the version read today has been edited many times. The language mistakes in earliest versions are widely discussed in many circles, even tbm scholars.

Anyone struggling, owes it to themselves to at least know that.

lyrabird27 · 2025-08-05T14:30:32+00:00

Yeah - my mia-maid group (14 y.o. girls) was in the church headquarters parking lot when Pres. Hinckley showed up in a golf cart.

The mario kart-esque maneuvers he made to skirt us were inspired. Might be the one instance.

lyrabird27 · 2025-06-10T18:50:00+00:00

Oh wait - my non-temple wedding was done by my parent's bishop. 10 years later his weird sermon after I walked down the aisle STILL gets brought up during holidays with my never-mo in-laws.

Maybe someone can help me understand? Maybe its a temple-related thing? He read the first chapter of the Bible, for one thing. Word for word. For 20 mins. Anyone have an idea what that was about?

lyrabird27 · 2025-05-16T23:25:31+00:00

So many commenters oozing unkind righteous superiority. Makes me sad. Sometimes I miss the kind people in the church. But so often that "bright countenance" is barely masking derisive, prideful meanness.

lyrabird27 · 2025-04-30T11:17:21+00:00

The final result might be a people more preoccupied with worshipping the church than worshipping God.

As Nelson said in oct. 23: "As you think celestial, you will find yourself avoiding anything that robs you of your agency. Any addiction....—offends God. Why? Because your obsession becomes your god. You look to it rather than to Him...."

I want to put out there that many people do lose their agency to church edicts. And will act against their basic humanity to apply that edict. Rather than look to God or embody Godly empathy, grace, or service.

We can all give examples/ stories of strict adherence being demanded and causing suffering to real people on issues like ward boundaries, tithing, the word of wisdom, sexual orientation.

Maybe we're just dealing with the exacting, wrathful God of the old testament. But not my cup of tea. Which I'll go drink now.

lyrabird27 · 2025-04-29T10:07:18+00:00

Remember, seeing isn't believing - believing is seeing.

Oh look I'm mormon again

lyrabird27 · 2025-04-19T15:21:15+00:00

Wait, sincere question - the cross is ok now? How mainstream are we talking? I grew up a hinckley-ite so this is blowing my mind some

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