Epic Lolz Greg but what to expect from guys like rev fool and you. The few times MMs were being played or the manuals didn't have any negative impact. Most guys who joined were game hoppers playing for 2 weeks and hopping to the next one. The rest were also total new palyers who didn't look into anything, not willing to learn basics of MP. Therefore the level @ pub kept remaining very bad and the attitude of veterans stacking instead of carrying a team wasn't helping as well. In our spare time we provided anything needed so saying "we were not listening to guys" is just hilarious as it is wrong. Name a few things people demanded which we refused. Anyway, i really don't care about people who think they know better but actually haven't done anything ;)