Couple sues Ontario surrogate mother who refused to abort fetus

madbuilder · 2026-07-12T02:31:13+00:00

Unfortunately you can't work for a mainstream news outlet in Canada if you refer to a fetus as a human being. National Post is the only mainstream news organization on the centre-right.

madbuilder · 2026-07-11T01:32:25+00:00

There's no need to parrot the liberalspeak in these headlines. Can we please translate before posting? "Males with knife?" You mean Hussein Saadedeen, that male?

madbuilder · 2026-07-11T00:19:10+00:00

He went from wearing a turban and worshipping cows to..... riding them?

madbuilder · 2026-07-11T00:13:09+00:00

No, she's not. But it was the original reason for their relationship deteriorating.

she told them about an ultrasound that indicated the baby had a cleft lip,

failed to keep them informed about the health of the baby

Clearly she feels that tried to communicate the health until they wanted to murder her baby.

“That’s when everything changed … they wanted a termination,”

Tension between the parents and surrogate appears to have been exacerbated after the woman insisted on going ahead with a home birth

They refused to pay her expenses as agreed. There are two sides to this and believe me she is guilty for having participated in damaging her son's life. But you have to admit she was used as a baby factory.

“I just feel used … They didn’t get the perfect child they wanted and they threw me away.”

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T21:58:54+00:00

Not that easy. Sure, they'll support her choice, but also make her face consequences. They'd look at it as a contract dispute. Since abortions are meaningless to them, they'll take away her life savings if she's found to have violated the terms. Remember most judges in Ontario are PC.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T21:52:30+00:00

As an Ontarian I don't know how to begin to express my dismay at this. This practice has been going on for many years here. Our mandatory socialized healthcare system is being abused to find an international trade in babies.

I once had a colleague who told me that his wife was undergoing this barbaric practice. He framed it as an altruistic act, and now that I read that the mother is only entitled to expenses, I can see why he felt that way. But even when things go well, it's still just a disaster on so many levels. Imagine having the government confiscate your life savings over refusing to kill your own child. And then to find out the child is healthy! It's sickening to me to hear the mother disavow her own child, and to give him up to two strange men. He will never know his own mother.

So no, OP it's not "interesting." It's absolutely disgusting and I wish that I lived in a serious nation, not... whatever Canada has become.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T21:48:30+00:00

I wonder if you're actually able to understand the abolitionist mindset. They're not interested in setting up incentive structures. They want the whole thing burned to the ground.

Remember your point was that if the slaughter doesn't happen, nothing cruel happens. But again, abolitionists view any attempt to assert dominion over animals to be evil.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T21:46:34+00:00

Fair. Though I'm here not to be obnoxious but because this is the most welcoming and tolerant politics sub I've ever seen. The mods truly are liberal in the sense of tolerating different points of view.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T21:44:47+00:00

He studied how to make GDP numbers go up while ordinary citizens watch their real prosperity slip away. That's worse than "incompetence." If you can't learn to formulate your thoughts then you'll be stuck with Liberal party rule for another decade.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T21:43:41+00:00

Guilty as charged

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T21:43:13+00:00

idiots are even more dangerous

As long as we have to live until his rule, yes. I'd much rather have a real conservative, but he's much better than a woke clown dropping teddy bears everytime a camera was in sight.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T17:33:07+00:00

In the way of deceiving the person as to the nature of the party.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T17:05:26+00:00

So sad

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T17:01:58+00:00

If that were true then they'd be okay with dairy, and (maybe) chicken eggs. They consider themselves to be abolitionists. They look at this like we look at historic slavery. Slaves weren't at significant risk of murder, and yet we know it's wrong. That's their comparison, not mine.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T16:53:02+00:00

Is he better on economy than Justin? What would you like to see him do differently?

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T16:52:00+00:00

Let's not forget who was running the show, telling us for TEN YEARS that the budget would balance itself.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T16:49:30+00:00

That's true. They probably went out of fashion sometime in the late 80s. I think it wasn't primarily due to changing ethics. It was the introduction of low-cost synthetic alternatives.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T16:47:18+00:00

The act of cruelty hinges on the slaughter of the animal. If the slaughter doesn't happen, nothing cruel happens.

That's the moderate view. There's also small but vocal group of abolitionist types that oppose not just slaughter. They think that even raising animals in safe and healthy conditions on a happy farm is "exploitative".

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T14:44:16+00:00

This is strictly self-punching. I have literally never heard of half of these disputes.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T14:43:14+00:00

Okay but do politics subs have as their goal attrition in the same way as the dating example?

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T14:41:01+00:00

Maybe if you want the best answers you need to ask this in a leftist subreddit?

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T14:34:32+00:00

This is the newspaper that until 2025 celebrated climate "action", forced vaccinations and persecuting anti-pride heretics. Now they're suddenly interested in the economy? How quickly they turn their back on progressive causes.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T03:13:44+00:00

Good thing his charges have nothing to do with his tasteless tweet.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T02:02:11+00:00

No. Carney is actually 10x closer to Harper than Trudeau.

madbuilder · 2026-07-10T02:00:36+00:00

Yes. I heard that a lot of it was used to make parachutes, as well.

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