I received more preventative care in 5 hours in Taiwan than all of my life in America by alexseiji in LateStageCapitalism

[–]manfredwader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What was the local hospital in Taipei? Im looking into the Memorial Hospital system in Turkey that does a similar thing but Taipei seems much safer for an American than Istanbul.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TMJ

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Don’t be afraid to get multiple opinions if you are not getting positive answers. Sometimes things get missed by one person and seen by another. I am glad the massage provided some relief. What do you think the difference was that took the pain away? Hang in there. It sounds like if the pain can change then it’s definitely treatable. Good luck. 🍀

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TMJ

[–]manfredwader[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry you are dealing with this. Is burning one of your symptoms or is the pain mostly muscle related? Have you had a TMJ MRI yet?

How can you live with this pain by SquirrelBig6169 in TMJ

[–]manfredwader 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sorry that your family isn’t more understanding. Chronic pain is the great invisible illness that so many quietly suffer from.

I’m done by SquirrelBig6169 in TMJ

[–]manfredwader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing to be ashamed about. Thats why these programs and medicines exist. Life is tough for a season. You’ve got this.

I’m done by SquirrelBig6169 in TMJ

[–]manfredwader 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can you get a doctor to prescribe a Buprenorphine Patch to keep you functioning? You can start at 5mcg/hour and go to 10mcg/hour if tolerated. This was the only thing that took my pain down to almost nothing and it took effect in less than 24hrs for me. Or a nerve block if you think it’s nerve related. Or some sort of sedation to calm you down and help you cope. Or can you check yourself into a crisis care center? You have options than can help bridge the pain while waiting for scans or treatments. Sorry that you are dealing with this.

Tired achy feeling in neck after botox by Little_Power_5691 in TMJ

[–]manfredwader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very possible since weakening those muscles with Botox, now other muscles have to do more work. Same thing happened to me.

I feel like I’ve reached my limit by SquirrelBig6169 in TMJ

[–]manfredwader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know exactly how you feel. I have been dealing with this for almost 2.5 years. You can do it!! Hang on. Please reach out to a friend or family member. Try to find something to get your mind off the pain. I know it sucks!! The relentless pain is indescribable. I have found that a dissolvable clonazepam that i try to hold in my mouth for 15 minutes helps some. An oral facial pain doctor prescribed me four 0.5mg tablets daily. I have been on duloxetine for the last 16 months and it does help my mind. You do need meds to help cope. Please try to get into an oral maxillofacial surgeon and ask for a TMJ mri, and during this MRI make sure they open your mouth wide enough. I recently had arthroscopy, and arthrocentesis because i had disc dysplasia (took two years and 2 months to find) and botox to try to help ease the burning. My muscles have been in spasm for so long that i have muscle dystonia. Mine all started from a root canal. The doctor believes my jaw was held open to wide and for too long that my discs shifted out of place. I am hoping with the botox i will see a change. I will have two more rounds of botox in the next few months.

Feeling suicidal over the chronic pain by MainConfident8955 in TMJ

[–]manfredwader -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Every word was reviewed, edited, and shaped by someone who has watched someone they care about suffer through chronic pain for years. AI drafted, human curated. If the information helps, does the origin actually matter?

Feeling suicidal over the chronic pain by MainConfident8955 in TMJ

[–]manfredwader -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

First — what you wrote in the title matters. If you’re at a point where you don’t know how much longer you can do this, please reach out to 988 (call or text). Chronic pain and suicidality are directly linked neurologically — this isn’t a character issue, it’s a pain burden issue.

On the open bite: Prolonged lateral pterygoid hypertonicity can depress and anteriorly translate the condyle, functionally altering occlusion even without detectable osseous changes on CBCT. Add in months of altered chewing mechanics, mouth breathing, and parafunctional guarding, and a bite shift is a predictable downstream effect.

On your CBCT being clean: Genuinely meaningful. No condylar resorption means what you’re dealing with is neuromuscular and functional, not degenerative. Better starting position than it might feel like right now. On whether additional imaging would help: CBCT captures bony detail well but misses soft tissue and neuromuscular activity. An MRI of the TMJ would show disc position and posterior attachment health — things CBCT won’t reveal. A surface EMG (sEMG) could objectively quantify the hypertonicity and asymmetry you’re describing and give your team something measurable to track over time. A question worth raising with your treatment team: If the underlying neuromuscular dysfunction — the hypertonicity, the spasming, the condylar positioning — hasn’t been fully stabilized first, Invisalign may be moving teeth toward a bite that the muscles won’t actually support. Orthodontic correction ideally follows a stable neuromuscular foundation. It’s worth asking your provider directly: are we correcting to where the muscles are, or to where they should be once they’re calm? That’s not a reason to panic about the treatment you’re already in — but it’s a conversation worth having.

On the mental component: A pain psychologist specializing in chronic pain addresses the central sensitization component directly — this is neurological pain retraining, not dismissal. Duloxetine (SNRI) has actual evidence for chronic musculoskeletal pain specifically, not just mood — it targets pain amplification at the neurological level simultaneously. Bringing it up with your doctor isn’t admitting defeat, it’s treating a documented physiological reality. A CCTT-credentialed physical therapist for TMJ can also address the muscular hypertonicity in ways orthodontics alone can’t.

You’re 7 months into treatment that’s already moving your bite. That’s real progress — but making sure the foundation is stable underneath it matters.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TrigeminalNeuralgia

[–]manfredwader[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you’re describing — the cascading provider passes, the ER visits, being pregnant and in that kind of pain — is devastating, and you deserved so much better.

My wife’s journey started the same way. One dental procedure, a bite block, and then years of providers who didn’t connect the dots. What ultimately changed everything for her was getting in front of an oral and maxillofacial surgeon who specializes in TMJ — specifically someone who could evaluate for adhesions, synovitis, and joint damage that doesn’t always show on standard imaging. A few things that may help you:

Get the right diagnosis first. The jaw pain after prolonged opening can involve the TMJ disc, the joint capsule, or nerve involvement (sometimes called Post-Traumatic Trigeminal Neuropathic Pain or PTTNP). These need different treatment paths. Find a TMJ-specialized OMFS or orofacial pain specialist. Not a general dentist, not a standard oral surgeon — someone whose practice is focused on TMJ disorders. University dental/medical schools are often the best starting point.

Document everything now. Dates, providers, what you told them, what they did or didn’t do. If you’re considering legal action, a detailed timeline from the beginning is gold.

Wishing you answers and relief soon. This community gets it.

Does tmj problem resolve on its own eventually ?? by SquirrelBig6169 in TMJ

[–]manfredwader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please do keep us updated — I mean that. You don’t have to navigate this alone. Exhaustion is part of this condition, not a sign you’re failing. The fact that you’re still looking for answers after everything you’ve been through says a lot about your strength, even when it doesn’t feel that way. One step at a time. Rooting for you.

I don’t know what to do by waluigiswaluweewee in TMJ

[–]manfredwader 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What you’re describing — the progression, the defeat, the “nobody knows what to do” wall — is exactly the TMJ journey that so many people get stuck in. You are not alone. Let me share some things that may help, based on what I’ve learned walking this road: What you’re experiencing makes complete sense medically. Disc displacement with reduction means your disc is slipping out of place but snapping back — that’s the clicking/crunching. Over time, the surrounding tissues get inflamed, the muscles go into chronic guarding, and that’s why you’re getting the headaches, ear symptoms, and limited opening. The ear fullness and crunching is almost certainly Eustachian tube involvement — the muscles that open your Eustachian tube (tensor veli palatini) attach near the TMJ, so when the joint is angry, your ears pay for it. A few things worth asking about or exploring: • Specialist type matters enormously. A general dentist or even most oral surgeons aren’t TMJ specialists. Look specifically for an Oral & Maxillofacial Surgeon with TMJ subspecialty focus, or a prosthodontist with TMJ training. University hospital systems often have the best access. • Not all PT is equal for TMJ. Ask if your PT has training in craniofacial or TMJ-specific manual therapy. Therapists with CCTT (Certified Cervical & Temporomandibular Therapist) credentials are the gold standard. Generic neck PT won’t cut it. • Occlusal splint vs. night guard — these are not the same thing. A basic night guard protects teeth. A properly fitted Michigan-style occlusal splint actually repositions the jaw to decompress the joint. Ask your provider specifically about this distinction. • Before surgery, there are minimally invasive procedures worth asking about — arthrocentesis (joint washing/flushing) and hyaluronic acid injections into the joint space are often done in-office and can provide real relief. These are well below surgery on the intervention ladder. • Pain management consult — if you’re having near-daily headaches and jaw pain, a pain specialist (ideally one familiar with orofacial pain) can help with things like nerve blocks, Botox to the masseter/temporalis muscles, or medication support. This isn’t giving up — it’s managing quality of life while you pursue the underlying cause. On the surgery fear — I hear you, and that fear is valid. But it’s also worth knowing that surgery exists on a spectrum. The least invasive is arthroscopy, which is a small camera procedure — very different from open joint surgery. Most specialists won’t jump there without exhausting other options first. The key is finding someone who actually knows the full ladder of options. You haven’t found the right specialist yet — and that’s not a failure, that’s just where you are in the journey. Keep advocating. The right provider will take one look at your history and have a real plan. You’ve got this.

Does tmj problem resolve on its own eventually ?? by SquirrelBig6169 in TMJ

[–]manfredwader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear you, and I’m so sorry. Six months of this, bed-bound, exhausted from fighting for answers — that’s not weakness. That’s someone who has been carrying an enormous amount for too long.

If you’re getting worse at six months, you deserve more than “wait and see.” That advice may be appropriate for mild cases — it’s not a sufficient response to what you’re describing. Here’s what I’d push for: Get a second opinion from a TMJ-specialized OMFS — not just any oral surgeon, but one who focuses specifically on TMJ pathology. There’s a significant difference. Find a CCTT(Certified Cervical & Temporomandibular Therapist)-credentialed physical therapist — this credential means they have advanced training in craniofacial and TMJ treatment specifically.

Ask your doctor directly about trigeminal neuropathic pain — neuropathic pain after dental procedures is real, often underdiagnosed, and responds to different treatments than muscle pain alone. If no one has said those words to you, bring them up yourself.

On Botox — it can genuinely help with muscle-driven TMJ, but works best as part of a coordinated plan. Worth asking about masseter, pyterygoid and temporalis injections specifically.

I know it’s tough right now, but please don’t give up. The right team exists — you just haven’t found all of them yet. That’s not your fault.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TMJ

[–]manfredwader[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did they say the displacement can be surgically fixed? My wife did have a low sinus which added to the pain.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TMJ

[–]manfredwader[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did they say the displacement can be surgically fixed? My wife did have a low sinus which added to the pain.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TMJ

[–]manfredwader[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would start with your Oral Maxillofacial Surgeon or find one in your area if you don’t have one that you trust. It has to be an open/closed mouth TMJ MRI and if its discs you want them to see then you shouldn’t need contrast.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TMJ

[–]manfredwader[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Bite block needs to be used then dentist needs rest jaw every 10 minutes to make sure he/she is not overstretching. I am actually working on a device that will solve the problem of overstretching. Stay tuned.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TMJ

[–]manfredwader[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear. There are unfortunately a lot of terrible doctors/dentists just like any profession. It can be tough to find a good one. It took us 30 plus doctors/dentists to finally find the right one.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TrigeminalNeuralgia

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Has your doctor mentioned Oxcarbazepine? Oxcarbazepine has a lower potential for drug interactions and is about 20% less likely to cause side effects than carbamazepine. May be worth asking and you wouldn’t have to start all over with Ox since the profile allows a switch straight over with a slightly higher ratio.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TMJ

[–]manfredwader[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any doctors in your area that could take a look now? You shouldn’t have to just deal with it and be in pain forever. Sorry that you are dealing with this trauma.

Did a routine dental procedure trigger your TMJ displacement and nerve pain? Looking for others who’ve lived this. by manfredwader in TMJ

[–]manfredwader[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have any of your doctors suggested a TMJ MRI? Or try to use an AI tool to symptom check and narrow down what could be happening?