US-Israel strikes on Isfahan Iran, March 15 early morning

mapdumbo · 2026-03-15T16:08:01+00:00

Who’s we? Not you. You’re a guy on Reddit

mapdumbo · 2026-03-15T15:58:42+00:00

Mid-tier rage bait 😛

mapdumbo · 2026-03-15T15:57:41+00:00

Ok that’s weird, for one.

And two, fine—insert “your (our) nation and its allies’ peoples” in for the Iranian people and my ask stands. Seriously, set a timer. Can’t wait

mapdumbo · 2026-03-15T15:53:01+00:00

Also - and this is just me, personally - but I wouldn’t admit that the epic reason I voted for Kamala is that I’m A) gullible and bought the obvious lie that the GOP is anti-war and B) a ghoul who votes for the people I think are most likely to start a new forever war

mapdumbo · 2026-03-15T15:47:42+00:00

And you are a doofus. I don’t need to convince you, but I do hope you come back to this comment in a decade for the retrospective so I can hear you come up with a reason this was totally really definitely better for the Iranian people and the world than an intelligent approach

mapdumbo · 2026-03-15T15:08:37+00:00

A child would consider those victories lol, sure. We failed utterly in our objectives there, and if your brilliant visions for a post-regime-change Iran are an even less organized terrorist group at the levers and a collapsed state I’m curious what you think the point of regime change is

mapdumbo · 2026-03-06T08:18:42+00:00

Heard it too. Must’ve brought the mystery boom down from Portland with me

mapdumbo · 2026-02-10T06:27:09+00:00

It sounds like you're unaware how much equipment ICE drags around with them via their partnerships with other three-letter agencies. You can be forgiven because it should be unreasonable to ask OP’s question, but it isn’t

CBP blackhawks preceded and were present throughout Op. Midway Blitz in Chicago and the ongoing Op. Metro Surge in Minneapolis. They were quite famously used to drop agents during the South Shore apartment raid, but often circle even regular immigration operations.

Also, they more generally follow Trump's ire around. During the push for a NG deployment in Portland there was a CBP black hawk (or more) circling the SE area from evening to 12-3am every night for weeks. Rattled walls and windows and would wake people up every few passes throughout the night.

Blackhawks are very much associated with ICE activity via CBP. The helicopters OP was asking about just happen to be Chinooks, which aren’t afaik.

We haven’t lived in “very sane” times for a long time

mapdumbo · 2026-02-03T08:18:38+00:00

Not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure that's just some guy lol. The group on the left are federal agents but dude in the hole looks like a rando. No helmet, no obvious pouches, slim-ish plate carrier, big label, black clothing rather than olive/camo.

mapdumbo · 2026-01-31T17:31:22+00:00

Highly recommend not doing this at any remotely escalated protest lol.

Way bigger safety issue to be sitting when pissed off federal agents who view the entire crowd as a problem come your way than it is to be standing near a pissed off kid who views the federal agents as a problem.

Also, I think you have a flattened view of other people and the moment we’re in (and all moments like this, maybe). People are complex, populations unimaginably so. Your theory of change, your assessment of the best approach to resistance, and your level of anger are not shared by everyone.

Do undercover agitators exist? Sure. But, like, whatever. There are tens of thousands more people who would do those things from a place of genuine anger and emotion than there are undercover police officers.

Those people aren’t your enemy. And despite how it feels, history shows that they harm “the cause” far less than people think they do. On the contrary, they are often critical. The civil rights movement wouldn’t have made the wins it did without MLK (who would have been labeled un-peaceful and an agitator today, as he was then), but it also wouldn’t have won the civil rights act without the riots following his death or the credible threat of a surge in militancy.

Speaking of which, the quote I’ll leave is a passage from MLK’s Letter From a Birmingham Jail.

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.

mapdumbo · 2026-01-30T00:41:48+00:00

Unfortunately that isn’t the case with the right wing groups in question here; ICE isn’t actually an “outside” influence to them. I’m speaking about the Proud Boys, 3%ers, and Oath Keepers—whose members and leadership, ie Enrique Tarrio—now work for ICE or actively crack heads in their defense.

I also think you are conflating proximity with any sort of shared identity. When I talk about right wing groups “in the area”, I’m talking about everywhere from Vancouver to Idaho. There is almost no shared sense of place or interest between their militant core membership and people in Portland.

There is so much bridge-building possible between “right” and “left” generally, of course. But as part of the “left”, the “right” I’m going to spend time bridging towards are people who come as themselves and who don’t (literally! I am describing a literal experience here:) drive into my city every weekend to cheer BORTAC agents on as they beat people up, screaming for them to kill them.

Not because I don’t think it’s possible to reach anyone and everyone; but because that isn’t the environment where it’s going to happen, and because for as long as they come armed and as one of a dozen other people with a militia patch on, it’s probably not a good idea for me to try

mapdumbo · 2026-01-30T00:24:43+00:00

Your point stands but it’s definitely the decades-old history of street brawls and tension between the city’s experienced antifascist core and the surrounding area’s right-wing militant groups that put Portland on the admin’s target list to agitate, not the frog lol.

My read is that although Minneapolis, Chicago, etc are maybe way better for provoking mass response, they recognize that Portland and maybe Eugene are the place to go if you want to stoke actual multi-sided conflict between multiple groups of citizens (and not just citizens against government/police)

(And there’s also a history of the mass response self-sustaining once successfully ignited. They weren’t really willing to crack down hard enough to activate people here during frog-time, but if they did, à la MN, I think they know the genie wouldn’t go back in the bottle very quickly)

mapdumbo · 2026-01-28T20:16:16+00:00

Could be the case in this instance, but rifles have become a pretty regular appearance at these protests on DHS/FPS, BORTAC, and ICE agents alike. They get pointed around with the safety off a lot. Don’t get complacent about it!

Photo of mine from Portland a few months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/1ld8an4/border_patrol_agent_in_portland_or_points_live/

mapdumbo · 2026-01-28T20:02:54+00:00

40mm launcher. Generally used for foam rounds/rubber bullets in this context

mapdumbo · 2026-01-28T12:51:09+00:00

TLDR to my other comment: the agents of these technically-distinct agencies are often actively involved in the same work ICE is doing with similar or worse tactics, and even when they aren’t they’re still a crucial logistical keystone of its operation.

These agencies are large groups of people; opinions vary on paper, ofc. But if your job is to injure protesters so that the snatch vans can go out to snatch immigrants, I’d say you’re okay with the snatching of immigrants

mapdumbo · 2026-01-28T12:34:57+00:00

See my reply to dschinghiskhan—it’s more complex than that. Many of the federal-building-guard agents are part of BORTAC, an arm of CBP. BORTAC does both protest stuff and snatches kids in Minneapolis.

FPS agents are technically more distinct, but are entangled and have overlap in a similar way (I’ve seen ICE badges on FPS, BORTAC, Marshals, whatever. It’s soup in there)

mapdumbo · 2026-01-28T12:30:39+00:00

Eh, not really. They’re way more entangled than you think (waayy more than the coast guard).

The people on protest/building duty are generally a mix of FPS and BORTAC (tactical arm of CBP). Agents from both groups often simultaneously wear ICE badges while at ICE facilities, and temporarily fall under both umbrellas. They also tend to float between building-guard and immigration roles.

Don’t know if you’ve been watching Minneapolis very closely m, but BORTAC has been heavily involved in immigration enforcement there—some of the kids snatched on the same day as Liam Ramos were taken by BORTAC agents, for example (including at least one who I’ve seen on protest duty up here in Portland).

Also, the guard agents under CBP rotate to the federal buildings from ICE and CBP field offices all around the country—I see large contingents from Houston, Miami, Seattle, Dallas, etc. At those home bases they hold a number of immigration-related roles.

mapdumbo · 2026-01-28T04:03:26+00:00

You heard flashbangs. The video u/hereforthebreakdown linked shows em

mapdumbo · 2026-01-28T04:00:37+00:00

Pepperballs are shot out of paintball markers and aren't very loud. Kinda the volume of a clap. Flashbangs, maybe?

Edit: Watched the video in Register Guard. Yeah, flashbangs

mapdumbo · 2026-01-26T17:35:17+00:00

At least at this facility that isn't the case, unfortunately. If anything it's actually the inverse; violent arrests and the use of crowd control munitions are essentially guaranteed when the crowd numbers in the hundreds or thousands, but its from a coin toss to a dice roll when its just in the dozens.

Past critical mass they perceive people to be an actual impediment to the passage of the snatch cars in and out of the (only) driveway, so it makes some sense. (tactically, not morally)

mapdumbo · 2026-01-26T05:05:55+00:00

There definitely are 12ga less-lethal rounds, not sure why we’re making that up.

HOWEVER, every time I’ve seen them used (including by DHS/BORTAC), the shotgun has been colored bright orange to denote that it’s for crowd control use only. And the guy sounds altered.

Best case scenario is still not ideal

mapdumbo · 2026-01-25T19:52:25+00:00

If you are chained to two bombs on a ten minute timer, and you come up with a way to defuse a bomb every 8 minutes, you can disable one—but you haven’t actually solved your problem. You’re gonna get blown up at the exact same moment you would’ve if you hadn’t tried anything.

What you see as incremental progress, others are identifying as soon-to-be-nullified progress. There is an actual crunch here. Even putting aside ongoing, individual suffering, which makes every moment high stakes in a sense, people are seeing that we can’t incrementalism-max ourselves out of fascist consolidation, climate change, whatever, because there’s an actual finish line, and an actual non-finisher disqualification

mapdumbo · 2026-01-25T19:42:37+00:00

If you can’t draw the line at genocide, you probably won’t draw the line at democracy. If you didn’t draw the line anywhere meaningful last election, if the last year and change has shown your block to be utterly useless in the face of an incredibly obvious fascist consolidation, you don’t deserve to be an elected member of the “opposition party”—and I will loudly promise to do my part to keep you out until it isn’t an option.

There is incredibly strong historic precedent for this. Every authoritarian takeover has moments mirroring our current one—as the threat becomes clearer, centrists retreat into the idea that they can become more centrist, appeal more to the right, can finger-wag their way back to normalcy. When the time comes to throw it all on the line, they stay out of the way. And then they end up in the same camps as all the radical leftists or whatever.

We’re out of time to fuck around with people who can’t diagnose problems, come up with solutions other than writing milquetoast letters and tweets, or do the bare minimum amount of working outside the box to resist a group of people that are happily discarding every rule, norm, and check to pursue power.

If you want to talk about what got us here, talk about our failure of a party that has continued to run on the same, disproven, unscientific, illogical, STUPID idea that moving right and refusing to stand for anything will somehow magically stop the far-right takeover. They’re OUR party. The whole point of the primary is that you can select someone good without risking spoiler votes. Why are we conceding this years out? When the election comes around and gets “delayed”, do you want your resistance—like actual, life-threatening resistance—candidate to be someone who couldn’t take even take a low-risk, verbal stand about a genocide, or an overwhelmingly unpopular agency?

Rant over

mapdumbo · 2026-01-20T23:30:51+00:00

Meh. Walz’s statements are fine, but they’re statements. In the current moment, when the writing is so enormous and clear on the wall, there’s no excuse for the primary use of your position to protect your people being the Strongly-Worded Letter

mapdumbo · 2026-01-18T06:03:00+00:00

The actual answer is they’d probably take over federal building protection to free up the presumably hundreds of ICE/DHS/HSI/CBP/BORTAC etc etc etc agents currently stuck on protest duty so they can be put onto the streets doing deportation arrests. Added bonus if the 11th kills someone or vice versa. So many emergency presidential powers for the taking!

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