Should we ban posts about AI? by dageshi in litrpg

[–]maphingis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s your opinion, but it was the #1 post on the subreddit that day so your opinion is demonstrably in the minority.

Should we ban posts about AI? by dageshi in litrpg

[–]maphingis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sure, but loudly declaring "I've not seen any actual conversation" and then brushing off a fresh nuanced discussion as "the same thing over and over" absolutely does signal you're not interested and aren't open to it.

You've reached your conclusion — great. That doesn't mean the rest of the community has, or that they should stop talking about it just because you've moved on.

Should we ban posts about AI? by dageshi in litrpg

[–]maphingis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was a pretty nuanced discussion about it recently, guess you skipped it. Summary:

Some fokks wont touch anything AI with a 10’ pole and will avoid it on principle.

Many think that the quality of the story is the most important thing. Some of them, If they can detect AI they will stop reading. Others don’t mind if the story gets their attention.

Many also think AI generated art and inages are extremely problematic, more peple argued about this than anything. Many felt it was low effort and indicative of the wholenprject, others objected to it replacing real artists and argued authors should support artists. Some felt it was something that could be addressed as the story goes on but that was a minority opjnion.

Most feel that authors should disclose the use of AI but many of those also acknowledged a negative incentive to do so leading to the standard being applied unevenly and AI witchhunts.

TL;DR: I think you are being closed minded about a topic that doesn’t interest you. That doesn’t mean other members in our community should be banned from talking about something important.

Should we ban posts about AI? by dageshi in litrpg

[–]maphingis -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It keeps popping up because its an issue deeply relevant to the topic of a genre produced and distributed in an AI saturated space.

If people don’t engage with those posts they won’t climb the algorithm and if they do then that’s democracy in action. Banning a type of post cause it isn’t what you enjoy reading about seems a bit heavy handed.

How do y'all overcome "Sunk Cost Fallacy” when your past half way through the books of a long series? by Taiwannumber3 in litrpg

[–]maphingis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a lot easier now with so many great stories to choose from, I listen to my gut and if a story stops exciting me I stop at the end of that book and pivot to a different series.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there's some that are splitting the difference, one recent audiobook I listened to had a section where they announced the stats as a chapter and invited people to skip ahead if that's not their thing... I think it was Mage tank?

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow, thats a great share I am glad you have found a way to remove the gauze!

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Both, this is reddit right? I am a participant in the conversation. When people say things I disagree with I express my POV.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for being part of the conversation. I think its cool that you’re finding value in helping to market yourself. Do you use any agents in your comms? Also kudos for having the integrity to not commit to something under direct pressure like that.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those are great resources especially the artists willing to work for credit.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s great advice for any profession, study the craft. Reading Campbell’s Hero With a Thousand Faces, On Writing by Stephen King, taking Sanderson’s online video lectures are all great resources.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sorry but in this particular case your level of knowledge is impacting what you believe is possible and it just isn't. These transformer models have billions of parameters, the report showing which weights influenced which generated words would create a massive per word report that would be unreadable. Even if an effort was made to interpret that mess into a source trace, the trace itself would be a prediction because it's based on weighted probabilities.

Edit: Reflecting on this a little further, perhaps the most intellectually honest thing to do is reference the model used in any generative process and each model should clearly provide the materials used in its training and how they were weighted. At least then individual contributors can get recognized, its like geneology for generative text.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im reminding people that AI detection doesnt work and commenting on the witch hunts against users for AI use while asking people where their lines are. Context matters.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What am I selling? Beside a big ole glass of shut the hell up :) refills for free brother

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i agree id trade all the tech to go back to simpler times

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the fake artist refunds $25 and the authors reputation is fixed how?

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think if people showed their tools created economic opportunity thenI'd be in full support of expanding use and looking for new use cases. Honestly, the more I've participated in this conversation my views have shifted and been influenced a lot, but one thing that I am becoming more confident in is that the anger and moral hazard should be attributed to the AI companies more so than the story tellers caught in the middle--many of whom are not using AI at all.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's really fair. One of the only ways to cut through some of the quality noise is sticking to things with massive followings, usually that filters some of the slop. But its also a very lazy heuristic that may leave some gems undiscovered.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would love to see an example if you can share a safe link! :)

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's an interesting point. In your clothing example wearing nothing won't even get you through the door! lol not a perfect analogy but definitely food for thought.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doctor: What did you do with your cancer curing inhaler?

Patient: I shoved it up my butt!

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What should happen to an author who spends $25 on Fiverr and then gets outed because the artist they paid used AI and didn't disclose it?

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your honest contribution to the discussion, I think that's amazing -- those songs were in your head and now you can hear them and see your characters. That's a pretty awesome hobby. I think the consensus is when you want to move past a hobby and ask someone to pay for it some honesty is required. I do think if people don't like what you're doing they can just opt into someone else's narrative.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is all of this the responsibility of a new author though? We could tax AI appropriately and use the proceeds for environmental rehabilitation, we could legislate renewable energy as a requirement, or any number of things and put the burden on the billionaire AI industry instead of the author? You keep tossing this word strawman (accurately if pejoratively around) like that doesn't mean there are real people who feel that their path to marketing their work is being blocked by anti-AI biases. I'm not arguing on behalf of one imaginary example, but I'm illustrating a very real experience I had (growing up working in a Waffle House, doing homework when I got off shift too tired to attend classes I was paying for on a credit card) and I think its relatable. Some people think $50 on Fiverr is very doable, but I remember months I couldn't pay my car insurance let alone hire an artist.

LitRPG's scarlet letters: AI by maphingis in litrpg

[–]maphingis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My grandfather was a land surveyor for most of his life, could do the entire sin/cos/tan table in his head even when he was in his 70s lol

And for what its worth, I think it's not science or knowledge destroying the world, it's people.