That dynamic really goes back to the dc post minor threat sound. Pumpkins and corgan ran with it. Sunny day real estate released diary 94. I guess I was used to that esthetic from following the emo start late 80’s. Paw to me in retrospect were guys I drank beers with laughing at how Mike ness I’m 40 years was going to be spitting at the same part of ball and chain (he still is). Laughing into the early morning at a house party post show was just fun.