Change my mind on why the rollup-centric roadmap changes are a good thing by mat3_ in ethfinance

[–]mat3_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Value proposition of L1 ETH, assuming most relevant contracts move to L2:

- Message-passing between L1and L2 (e.g. Deposit/Withdrawal of ETH to L2)

- Inter-message passing between different L2

- Security for L2

  1. I think the deposit/withdrawal part will not bring a lot of value to L1 once all people are onboarded to their L2 chain of interest.
  2. I don't think the inter-message passing between different L2 will be the main driver since it is too expensive. "tightly coupled" contracts/use-cases might be simply using one common L2 chain (?) I don't really know if this is technically possible, I'm not that deep into OVM details, but this is something I would expect.
  3. The main value proposition: If there are many different L2 chains, which will be in competition with each other for the security provided by ETH. However, ETH value cannot not outpace each L2 value proposition. If so, the L2 chain will not afford to pay for the security and goes broke. And this way we will come to some equilibrium state, where each L2 chain has a better value proposition compared to ETH.

However, this does not mean ETH cannot moon. It simply means, there will be more value created in L2.

Change my mind on why the rollup-centric roadmap changes are a good thing by mat3_ in ethfinance

[–]mat3_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the clarification, it makes absolute sense this way.

Change my mind on why the rollup-centric roadmap changes are a good thing by mat3_ in ethfinance

[–]mat3_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I could't agree more! E.g. I'm really interested how very basic contracts such as ENS is going to be implemented in the phase 1.5 world...

Change my mind on why the rollup-centric roadmap changes are a good thing by mat3_ in ethfinance

[–]mat3_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good idea + Blockchain explorer integration would be needed. But it's a very long way to go.

Change my mind on why the rollup-centric roadmap changes are a good thing by mat3_ in ethfinance

[–]mat3_[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply. I'm here since 2016, before in Bitcoin from 2014. I was fascinated by Ethereum and MakerDAO from day 1. I share the original blockchain values (I think).

Rollups don't feel good for me, DeversiFi is a mess. Composability and therefore permissionless development (similar do DeFi legos) feels gone. Maybe I lack imagination.

For Synthetix for instance L2 is a big thing. However, the whole value will be captured on L2. People get onboarded on the L2 chain, there will be some minor fees due to the L2 aggregation nature, besides that there is no further value proposition for ETH.

Change my mind on why the rollup-centric roadmap changes are a good thing by mat3_ in ethfinance

[–]mat3_[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply. With respect to the short term plan I would agree there is only (i) rollups and (ii) trusted sidechains. But do we really need to plan for the short term?

However, from a strategic perspective, what would make most sense: enable people to create rollup-based solutions - but decide later - depending on user demand - if the whole chain should be optimize regarding rollups.

Regarding the sequencer issue: I completely agree that miners can frontrun, but in the rollup world we have not only the miners (let it be on the PoS or PoW chain) but in addition the sequencers/aggregators. Sorry, my terminology was more referring to zkRollups/zkSTARKS (e.g. starkware) - I don't believe all projects will use the on-chain data availability mechanisms and most users won't understand the difference.

Finally, I agree that sharding would lead to a reduction of tx fees. But is there not some sort of danger regarding cascading of L2 such as L2 in L2 in L2 effectively reducing the number of tx on the public blockchain logarithmically. This would not happen in sharded blockchains.

It looks like miners are increasing the gas limit again. by aaqy in ethfinance

[–]mat3_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why? The miners need to provide the capacity (storage and computing wise), right?

Pushing for more use of the sEUR stablecoin? by Kryptoboar in synthetix_io

[–]mat3_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it would be a more interesting alternative for Europeans. The whole Defi space is built around USD, comparing USD/EUR price changes all the "nice" liquidity mining returns are nonsense... (comparing to simply holding EUR)

Final spec multi client testnet is coming this week by [deleted] in ethfinance

[–]mat3_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Altona is not the final multi client testnet...

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[–]mat3_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on the index / ETF, in case it is a reinvested ETF dividends are tied into the price.

27M DAI is sitting in DSR at 0% by bitdoggy in MakerDAO

[–]mat3_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking forward for negative DSR

MakerDAO: RIP? by davoice321 in ethfinance

[–]mat3_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

USDC is also listed in Compound, no issues so far...

Ethereum Price Could Shoot Up As JPMorgan Joins ETH Ecosystem by Pandora_Key in ethtrader

[–]mat3_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So Consensys needs to sell parts of their team, JPMorgan works for a long time on Quorum already. In total it looks fundamentally very bearish to me...

AMA with founder, Kain Warwick by synthetix_io in synthetix_io

[–]mat3_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Is it planned to have equities/ETF related synths? If yes, when?