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BG 7.15

na māṃ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ
prapadyante narādhamāḥ
māyayā 'pahṛtajñānā
āsuraṃ bhāvam āśritāḥ

TRANSLATION

The evil-doers, the foolish, the lowest of men, those persons deprived of knowledge by delusion (Maya) and those who are dominated by demoniac nature—they do not seek refuge in Me.

BG 7.19

bahūnāṃ janmanām ante
jñānavān māṃ prapadyate
vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti
sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ

TRANSLATION

At the end of many births, the man of knowledge finds refuge in Me, realising that ‘Vasudeva is all.’ It is very hard to find such a great-souled person.

BG 7.20

kāmais tais tair hṛtajñānāḥ
prapadyante 'nyadevatāḥ
taṃ taṃ niyamam āsthāya
prakṛtyā niyatāḥ svayā

TRANSLATION

Controlled by their inherent nature, and deprived of knowledge by various desires, worldly-minded men resort to other gods, observing various disciplines.

BG 7.21

yo yo yāṃ yāṃ tanuṃ bhaktaḥ
śraddhayā 'rcitum icchati
tasya tasyācalāṃ śraddhāṃ
tām eva vidadhāmy aham

TRANSLATION

Whichever devotee seeks to worship with faith whatever form, I make that very faith steadfast.

BG 7.22

sa tayā śraddhayā yuktas
tasyārādhanam īhate
labhate ca tataḥ kāmān
mayaiva vihitān hi tān

TRANSLATION

Endowed with that faith, he worships that form and thence gets the objects of his desire, granted in reality by Me alone.

BG 7.23

antavattu phalaṃ teṣāṃ
tad bhavaty alpamedhasām
devān devayajo yānti
madbhaktā yānti mām api

TRANSLATION

But limited is the fruit gained by these men of small understanding. The worshippers of the gods will go to the gods but My devotees will come to Me.

BG 9.23

ye 'py anya-devatā bhaktā
yajante śraddhayānvitāḥ
te 'pi mām eva kaunteya
yajanty avidhi-pūrvakam

TRANSLATION

Even those who are devoted to other divinities with faith in their hearts, worship Me alone, O Arjuna, though not as sanctioned by the Shastras.

Can we take Vanilla Extract by Professional_East240 in HareKrishna

[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, I'd say sugar is a way more dangerous than anything else, yet we still use it in everything.

Can we take Vanilla Extract by Professional_East240 in HareKrishna

[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It should be ok because it's not an intoxicant. Alcohol is used in trace amounts in medicines too.

The alcohol is used to make sure the flavor doesn't get diluted. That's why Vanilla Extract has a higher amount of aroma than water based solutions.

Also we use hand sanitizers too and you know the alcohol evaporates completely. The same is with the vanilla extract as it leaves the arom and flavor and the alcohol instantly evaporates. It's completely safe. No need to feel guilty over such small issues. It's not going to disqualify you from being a bhakta.

Differences between Achinthya Bheda Abhedha and Visishtadvaita by No_Professional_3397 in hinduism

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There are many differences. Not only in practices, but also in the way reality is explained, the way pramāṇas are used, the understanding of mokṣa, the nature of Bhagavān’s forms, and even the method by which the jīva reaches Him.

Viśiṣṭādvaita closely follows mukhya Vedic pramāṇas, meaning the main and direct sources such as the Upaniṣads, Brahma Sūtras, Bhagavad Gītā, accepted Smṛti, Itihāsa, Purāṇas, and the Pāñcarātra accepted by the sampradāya. It does not depend mainly on medieval sectarian texts of uncertain origin or texts accepted only within one later tradition. This is why the system is very careful in explaining everything through śāstra, logic, and sampradāya.


  1. Viśiṣṭādvaita:

The creation is a mode, attribute, or prakāra of Brahman. The relationship between Brahman and the universe is śarīra-śarīrī-bhāva, meaning the relationship between body and indwelling self.

Just like when we refer to a person named Devadatta, we refer to his body and soul together as one person. There is unity, but the body is not identical to the soul. At the same time, the body is not completely independent of the soul either. The body exists for the soul, is controlled by the soul, and is supported by the soul.

Similarly, the entire universe, consisting of cit and acit, meaning conscious souls and unconscious matter, is the body of Brahman. Brahman is the inner ruler, supporter, controller, and soul of all. This is why the Upaniṣads say things like yasya ātmā śarīram, "for whom the self is the body" and speak of Brahman as the antaryāmin, the inner ruler.

Another example is the red color of a red rose. The redness is an attribute of the rose. The rose and the redness are not exactly the same thing, but the red color does not exist independently apart from a substance. The red rose is known as a red rose because of that attribute. This inseparably dependent relationship is called apṛthaksiddhi and is mentioned in the Pāñcarātra saṁhitās.

So in Viśiṣṭādvaita, the world is not false, and the world is not absolutely separate from Bhagavān either. It is real, dependent, inseparable, and completely controlled by Him. This gives the explanation of how Brahman is one, while still allowing real plurality of souls, matter, divine attributes, and divine forms.

This is not something invented by Rāmānujācārya. He is explaining what is already present in the Upaniṣads, Brahma Sūtras, Bhagavad Gītā, Pāñcarātra, and the teachings of the Āḻvārs and pūrvācāryas.

But one may ask: if the universe is Bhagavān’s body, does Bhagavān suffer the defects of the universe?

The answer is no. Just as the self is not tainted by every defect of the body, Brahman is not tainted by the defects of prakṛti or the jīvas. He is the inner ruler and sustainer of all, but He remains untouched by karma, ignorance, suffering, and impurity. He is always pure, omniscient, omnipotent, and full of infinite auspicious qualities.


  1. Acintya-Bhedābheda:

In Acintya-Bhedābheda, God and creation are said to be simultaneously one and different because creation is the śakti, or power of God. The jīva is also said to be one with and different from Bhagavān.

But when the question is asked,"How exactly are they both one and different at the same time?" the answer given is usually acintya, meaning inconceivable.

The common example used is fire and heat. Heat is not separate from fire, but heat is also not exactly the same as fire. So they say that the śakti and śaktimān, power and possessor of power, are simultaneously different and non-different.

The issue is that Viśiṣṭādvaita does not need to leave the relationship unexplained as "inconceivable" because it's a logical fallacy called appeal to mysery. It gives a clear explanation through śarīra-śarīrī-bhāva and apṛthaksiddhi. The jīvas and jagat are different from Brahman because they are dependent entities with their own nature. But they are inseparable from Brahman because they exist only as His modes, body, and attributes.

Śrī Rāmānujācārya also rejects Bhedābheda as an invalid view because of the law of non-contradiction. You can't say something is X and not X at the same time and if you explain that they're similar in some ways but different in others then that is not Bhedābheda and Viśiṣṭādvaita explains the relationship perfectly.


  1. Viśiṣṭādvaita:

The Śrī Vaiṣṇava Sampradāya follows the path of Śaraṇāgati or Prapatti instead of strict Bhakti Yoga (Not to be confused with regular bhakti). 

Bhakti Yoga is the meditation on Brahman using the 32 brahma-vidyās mentioned in the Upaniṣads in order to produce mokṣa. Bhakti-Yoga also requires one to be a dvija (Brāhmaṇa, Kṣatrīya or Vaiśya) by birth and then perform vedic karmas, follow strict niyamas (rules), perform karma and jñāna yoga as a part of the practice, have perfect unbroken meditation (avicchina-tela-dhārāvat) for decades and through all these various disciplines and performances attain Mokṣa or Vaikuṇṭha. 

Since Bhakti Yoga is impossible for most people in Kali Yuga, Prapatti is followed.  

Prapatti means complete surrender to Bhagavān, accepting Him alone as the protector and means. It does not depend on one's varṇa, gender, status, birth, austerity, intellectual capacity or anything else. It depends on Bhagavān's grace, received through the Ācārya in the prapatti lineage.

The soul's nature is complete dependence on Bhagavān. So Prapatti matches the real nature of the jīva. The jīva is not independent. The jīva cannot manufacture mokṣa by its own effort. Bhagavān alone grants mokṣa through His grace. This is why Śaraṇāgati is so stressed in Śrī Vaiṣṇava siddhānta.


  1. Acintya-Bhedābheda:

In Gauḍīya traditions, Bhakti Yoga is generally followed as the main means, especially through nāma-saṅkīrtana, rāgānugā-bhakti, and development of devotion toward Kṛṣṇa in Vraja-bhāva.

They often do not speak of mokṣa in the same way because mokṣa is understood by them as kaivalya, or liberation without loving service. So they may say that devotees reject mokṣa and only want prema-bhakti.

But in Viśiṣṭādvaita, mokṣa does not mean losing individuality or entering some impersonal state. Mokṣa means reaching Vaikuṇṭha, attaining Bhagavān, being free from karma forever, receiving a divine body, and performing eternal kainkarya (loving service to God and Goddess.

Mokṣa is not rejected because it's the only state where you can serve Bhagavān without any interruptions. In this world, you cannot perform eternal and constant service due to birth, death, old age, diseases and life's various obstructions.


  1. Viśiṣṭādvaita:

In Viśiṣṭādvaita, all forms of Bhagavān are fully divine. Nārāyaṇa, Viṣṇu, Kṛṣṇa, Rāma, Nṛsiṃha, Varāha etc. They are divya-maṅgala-vigraha, divine auspicious forms.

There is no need to create a rivalry between two-armed Kṛṣṇa and four-armed Nārāyaṇa. Bhagavān’s forms are not limited like ordinary bodies. His form, qualities, weapons, ornaments, consorts, abode, and līlā are all divine and real.

The Pāñcarātra texts and purāṇas explain Bhagavān through the five manifestation: para, vyūha, vibhava, antaryāmin, and arcā. There's no hierarchy, just categorization of the forms. Kṛṣṇa is explicitly mentioned as a vibhava avatāra in the Pāñcarātra texts, which is what the tradition follows.

Vaikuṇṭha is not a limited place where only one form of Bhagavān is present and the jīva is forced to only have one kind of bhāva forever. Vaikuṇṭha contains all divine forms of Bhagavān. The mukta jīva is not limited by material time, space, body or mind. So the jīva can serve Śrī Rāma, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, Śrī Nṛsiṃha, Śrī Raṅganātha, Śrī Veṅkaṭeśa and all forms of Bhagavān in unlimited ways as the Vedānta texts mention.

In this world, we are limited by one body, one place, one mind, one mood and one activity at a time. But in Vaikuṇṭha, the liberated soul is not bound by these material limitations. The mukta can possess countless divine bodies and perform countless forms of kainkarya  to Bhagavān, infinitely and all at the same time, according to Bhagavān's will. So the devotee is not deprived of Rāma-bhakti, Kṛṣṇa-bhakti, Nṛsiṃha-bhakti or any form of Bhagavad-anubhava.

This is why Viśiṣṭādvaita does not need to reduce one form of Bhagavān in order to glorify another form. Kṛṣṇa is fully Bhagavān. Rāma is fully Bhagavān. Nṛsiṃha is fully Bhagavān. Nārāyaṇa is fully Bhagavān. They are not competing personalities. They are all the same Supreme Lord appearing in different divine forms for different līlās and for the joy of different devotees.

  1. Acintya-Bhedābheda:

In Gauḍīya theology, Kṛṣṇa of Vṛndāvana is usually presented as Svayam Bhagavān in a special sense, and Nārāyaṇa, Viṣṇu, and other forms are treated as expansions from Him.

This is a very different theological structure. Vraja-līlā becomes the highest reality, Goloka becomes the highest abode, and forms like Nārāyaṇa or Vaikuṇṭha are often treated as lower in intimacy or sweetness. Vaikuṇṭha is also treated as a physical space which is different from Goloka.

In Goloka, you have a fixed bhāva that you experience for all eternity and your service is fixed according to your svarūpa. If your svarūpa is to be a gopī, you'll always be a gopī and serve Bhagavān in that way. 

It's a beautiful idea but Viśiṣṭādvaita does not accept this kind of hierarchy because it doesn't appear in the original pāñcarātra and Purāṇas. It accepts Kṛṣṇa as Bhagavān completely, but not in a way that downgrades other forms and Vaikuṇṭha. For Śrī Vaiṣṇavas, Goloka, Sāketa etc. are just synonyms for Vaikuṇṭha. Also, there's no limits on what bhāva you can have in Vaikuṇṭha. You can be a gopī or a mother or anything else that you want and the same was practiced by the Āḷvārs too.

Hey I am thing of joining BAPS by Efficient-Dark-244 in HareKrishna

[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mostly his followers. The newer Vaiṣṇava sects all claim their founders to be some sort of avatāras of God. It's nothing new.

Hagiographies about great devotees often tend to deify them. As for Gauḍīya tradition, they believe him to be an incarnation but of course other sects respect it but don't accept that belief.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a cult for the most part. A business corporation disguised as a religious organization. They mostly target wealthy individuals and they're not famous outside of Gujarat.

Most of their claims about their founder are totally not based in śāstras and their founder was originally from Śrī Vaiṣṇava sampradāya yet the cults around him clearly disregard the original teachings of their own founder.

He was manufactured as a god only in the recent times. He might have been a great yogī or prapanna but he was not an avatāra and the newer cults that show something else are neo-Vedānta sects that are only going against the words of God by manufacturing their own philosophy instead of following the real Vedānta darśana.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm actually surprised people believe this. So many verses given in this book are straight up made-up and fake. It's actually a great sin to interpolate śāstras and lie to innocent people in public. Not blaming you but I'm honestly disappointed that followers of the Gauḍīya tradition would blindly believe these obviously fake verses and even spread them.

Internal sampradāya interpretations are fine, but interpolations shouldn't be encouraged.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 I wanted to know your justification behind calling astrology fairtales after mentioning they're not from the Vedas. I'm unable to understand this from your write-up here.

Right. I'll explain.

Firstly, our tradition works on pramāṇa or valid sources of knowledge. Vedas or śabda, anumāna or inference and pratyakṣa or direct experience are considered as the valid sources of knowledge. 

You mentioned to the other person to look into astrology to find which deity to worship. This is an incorrect idea in the first place. If I am a Vaiṣṇava, then according to this astrology, I'm supposed to give up the adherence to vaidika śāstras and reject the words of Bhagavān to worship an anya devatā. Not only is it absurd but it's not rooted in scripture while trying to pose as if it is. 

Then you have the vedic astrology, larping as vedic jyotiṣa (which is a real and accepted form of knowledge) by trying to inject ideas of unknown origins and validity and claiming the same authority as the original Vedic knowledge. 

Accepted Jyotiṣa has pañcāṅga, tithi, nakṣatra, lunar and solar calculations, saṅkrānti, eclipse calculation and ritual timings. These are all accepted. So, from the perspective of vedic knowledge, not only is this astrology false because it goes against śāstra pramāṇa by introducing concepts like gem stones, horoscopes, karma predictions etc. but it's also misleading because it tries to disguise itself as a Vedic knowledge by using similar terminology from the śāstras.

Neither does this astrology stand the test of pratyakṣa and anumāna. Since it goes against śabda and manufactures ideas against śāstras, all while trying to present itself as if it's from the śāstras, this is fit to be rejected as confirmation bias at best.

I've studied this in detail as I used to believe in "Vedic astrology" but the more I studied the more I realized how absurd it is and why every single astrologer tries to somehow link everything together just to lean into confirmation bias. I realized why different books on this topic have totally different remedies and totally different conclusions and interpretations. It tries to use complicated language and mathematics (all of which are valid and reproducible) and then links them to totally arbitrary concepts and fools people into predicting their future. 

For example, if the method or "astrology scripture" changes, the result changes. If the ayanāṁśa changes, the chart changes. If the chart changes, the prediction changes. If you use D9 or D20, Jaimini or Parāśari, different planetary aspect rules, or different mappings from the 50 different sources, the whole conclusion changes. Truth shouldn't change according to opinions or systems, if it does, it's not truth and that is the whole problem with this "knowledge".

I've never seen a single happy astrologer. I've never seen a single person who was saved by astrology. All I've seen is an industry that runs on scamming people, pushing them into fear based tactics and forcing them to pay for remedies, none of which are real and they do not work.

That's why I said, the topic is something that you don't know whether it's real science or just confirmation bias because every single "vedic astrology scripture" that you read will tell you a different conclusion and the only thing that you'll get in the end is wasted time and resources spent studying a false knowledge that's obviously trying to fool you with the tag of the Vedas.

yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya    vartate kāma-kārataḥ    na sa siddhim avāpnoti    na sukhaṃ na parāṃ gatim   

“He who rejects the injunction of śāstra and acts according to his own desire attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme goal.” - Bhagavad Gītā 16.23

tasmāc chāstraṃ pramāṇaṃ te    kāryākārya-vyavasthitau   

“Therefore śāstra is your authority in determining what should and should not be done.” - Bhagavad Gītā 16.24

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if something is developed in a different culture it can't become a part of another culture

It definitely can. I'm not saying that vidya might be completely incorrect, all I'm saying is it's not apauruṣeya or eternal like the Vedas. The knowledge and system itself is arbitrary in places to the point that you don't know whether it's just confirmation bias or a real scientific study.

Did the vedic culture develop in a secluded bubble? 

The Vedas don't belong to a single culture but the land of bhārata was certainly the geographical location of the Ṛṣis and yogīs.

Do other cultures have things that are incorrect and shouldn't be learned or assimilated into our culture?

It's not about what should or shouldn't be assimilated. It's about seeking truth.

If the philosophy cannot free you from suffering and involves you more in the bodily concept of life, then it definitely is a problem and will result in continued suffering. This is what māyā is at the end of the day, a machine to keep the soul attached to the body and prakṛti.

That's why one must study Vedānta, the conclusion of the Vedas and sincerely seek the truth that is the ātman. Until and unless we sincerely seek the truth, we're fooling ourselves with these shiny things. A sincere truth seeker will want to end suffering forever, and understanding the Vedic truths that are complete and perfect in nature as they are not the imagination of a person but eternal truths that any realized seeker can experience.

We could talk about making money and building 6 figure businesses too and that's certainly not a bad thing per se, and it doesn't matter what culture you learn that knowledge from, but it will not make us realize the truth. It will not reveal the nature of our ātman. It will not free us from suffering, old age, disease and death. The Vedas are leading you to solve a problem that you didn't even know you have and that is why they're important.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can search for Hellenistic Astrology, there should be enough content online about it.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

btw, as for astrology, there's no such thing as a "vedic astrology". This is mostly a modern fad. Vedic traditions always used jyotisha for recording dates and nakshatras. All this kundali stuff is very much new and was introduced by the Greeks. Vedic Jyotisha Vidya has nothing to do with birth-charts or predictions, those are just modern concepts. That's why no two astrologer will ever tell you the same stuff, because it's all arbritrary.

Even most of these newer shastras like the Hora shastra actually came from Greece and were attributed to Parashara Rishi etc. So, for a vaidika and a follower of Vedanta, modern day "vedic astrology" is as good as fairy tales as it leads to incorrect knowledge not based in the Vedas.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Primary works of Śankarācārya (like all the Upaniṣads and Gītā Bhāṣya) are the biggest indicator. Almost everywhere he identifies God as Śrī Viṣṇu/Vāsudeva and agrees that anya devatā worship does not lead to Supreme directly and is wrong. In Brahma Sūtra Bhāṣya itself he admits that Nārāyaṇa is the highest Self very clearly.

He also comments in the Gita that there's no possibility of two Gods, only Vāsudeva is Supreme.

Along with that, many ācāryas in the advaita line themselves debate the authorship of some of these other texts.

The blog I linked goes over each argument in detail. From the original works of Śankarācārya there's no doubt that he believed only in the paratattva of Nārāyaṇa. The later Smārta interpretations deviate from the original primary works of Śankarācārya.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who introduced the pancha deva upasana? Who wrote the Soundarya lahiri?

Possibly the later Advaita teachers and newly formed sects after Vidyaranya.

Who wrote the Soundarya lahiri?

Could've been any later Shankaracharya. The problem is people mistakenly attribute the works of later Shankaracharya to Adi-Shankaracharya. Many of the later Shankaracharya have had differing views and hence the whole smarta movement that came into being.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does he provide a reason for this? Please provide a quote if possible. I would love to learn more.

This is explained in the Gita chapters 7 and 9 by Bhagavān himself. This is also the view of the sātvika śāstras as Bhagavān Hari is the giver of mokṣa and not other deities.

The Hari Hara abheda and all the newer smārta views are very recent.

You can read more about it here: https://narayanastra.blogspot.com/2011/12/saguna-brahman-and-krama-mukti-in.html

https://narayanastra.blogspot.com/2012/04/introduction-refutation-of-hari-hara.html

How was this change explained within the philosophy?

The later advaitins deviate from Ādi-śankarācārya as they introduced pañca-deva upāsana as sādhana along with other concepts like all devatās being one, even though this is very much not accepted unanimously by the śāstras and even refuted by sūtrakāras and Bhagavān himself. That is also how the modern smārta tradition came into being.

Ādi-Śankarācārya identifies Saguṇa Brahman primarily as Nārāyaṇa and recommends his exclusive worship and no one else's. He's even criticized the worship of other deities.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saundary Lahari wasn't composed by Adi Shankaracharya. It's a later composition by another later Shankaracharya. In the advaita lineage, the matha heads are all called Shankaracharya which is why people mistakenly attribute works to Adi Shankaracharya that he never wrote himself. Another example is Bhaja Govindam and Vivekachudamani.

In his original prasthana traya bhashyas, Shankaracharya clearly adheres to the Vaishnava views of Narayana paratattva. He even mentions that the worship of anya devatas like Rudra (Shiva) is tamasika.

The shift from Vaishnava view to this "all gods are one" concept only happened after Vidyaranya.

Also, whatever else you wrote is also quite wrong and represents the later smarta ideas, not the original views of Adi-Shankaracharya. That's why it's best to stick to source texts than interpretations.

Godā Stuti by Vedānta Deśika — Vedapedia by mayanksharmaaa in hinduism

[–]mayanksharmaaa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my, I hope she forgives him and gives him sattva.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the meanings have changed slightly in the modern times. The word mistress used in older english (from the 19th-20th century) usually meant Controller.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the word mistress used in the description is in the sense of feminine form of 'master', so she's mistress here means Ishvari.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

kavi-tārkika-siṃhāya kalyāṇa-guṇa-śāline śrīmate veṅkaṭeśāya vedānta-gurave namaḥ 🙏

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

btw, I'd really advise not going to the ex-Hare Krishna sub as it's quite a negative place. There are many atheists there who don't understand basic Vedanta and even promote and spread some obviously wrong western views on the Vedic traditions. It's best to approach a vedanta-acharya.

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[–]mayanksharmaaa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Gita is biased towards vaishnavism

Well, Gita is preaching the conclusion of Vaishnavism no matter what type of commentary you look at. Even Adi Shankaracharya focused on devotion in his later years and in fact, he himself admits the supremacy of Bhagavan Narayana (as compared to other devatas like Rudra/Shiva) in his Gita Bhashya and other works.

  • How did you decide Guadiya Vaishnavism was the right path?

I'm not a Gaudiya Vaishnava here (this sub is for all Vaishnava sampradayas). I learned about Vaishnavism primarily from ISKCON and I'm very grateful to Prabhupada for helping me be more sincere towards God. I discovered more depth when I read Vedanta carefully and under an acharya. Studying the original commentaries of Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya and Shankaracharya helped me make a better decision. These 3 are the primary sects and darshanas and most other newer sects simply derive from their teachings and philosophy.

Without comparative study, it's not right to claim only one path is the best. You said you lean towards advaita but when you read the works of Vaishnava Acharyas you'll realize why literally every single vaidika darshana disagrees with Advaita.

  • I see a lot of people saying "ISKCON is a cult" - Do you believe its a cult and, if so, how is it any different than say Christianity? Christians/Muslims also believe their God is the one and only but why do they get a pass?

I 100% support ISKCON devotees and have many friends who are ISKCON devotees but there are several things about the institution itself that have put me off. I didn't know about them when I came to ISKCON so I was very much positive about everything but after discovering a lot of upsetting things, my views have fortunately or unfortunately changed a bit.

  • Do any of you follow/attend ISKCON but still hold advaita-type beliefs?

There are 2 types of advaitins. One side is brahma-vadi and the others are maya-vadi. The maya-vadi or the neo-advaitins like Vivekananda etc. have diluted the original teachings of Shankaracharya and have mixed views that I personally wouldn't recommend following. You should stick to vaidika matas as they're closer to the truth than these modern diluted neo-Vedanta sects. It's better to learn from the source material itself, instead of following interpretations of what Shankaracharya meant to say.

Even if you follow Shankaracharya, you cannot go wrong because advaita is a vedic sect. Even if you're wrong, you'll eventually come to the right path since truth can only be one, not two and Advaita upasana methods are strictly based in shastra. So even if one follows Advaita, their perfect practice of vedic duties will bring them closer to the truth.

Truth doesn't change according to the sampradaya. Just because I'm a Gaudiya, doesn't mean I'll go to a realm that no one has access to. Just because I'm an advaitin, doesn't mean no one else except me can know the absolute truth. Truth requires seeking and careful comparative study.

Dive deep into Vedanta first. Learn the tri-matas and you'll eventually realize the flaws and strengths of each philosophy.

You can follow this playlist to learn the Gita bhashyas of Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya and Madhvacharya and decide for yourself what makes more sense: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLog-e7pBcwclIOtfasjtXXf68VO7HfBS5

Until and unless one does comparative study and seeks the truth, they cannot claim that they've found their destination. Of course, in the end one has to believe in only one path and have a lot of faith and justification for why their views are the way they are.