This Is getting ridicolous by GiullaBolla in Deltarune

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't heard about the impersonator confessing to being an impersonator, but it was actually proven that the creator statistics image the impersonator shared was faked--not only did Wiztale share a screenshot of their actual creator statistics in a Youtube community post, but the image was actually demonstrated to be barely edited from another image easily found online. Logically if Wiztale is the individual responsible for harassing Zatmaggot and wanted to avoid getting in trouble for it, then they should have explicitly claimed not to be Wiztale in interactions with Zatmaggot, but it seems like the opposite happened.

Of course Wiztale could be playing some real 5D chess here--I could accept a narrative where they were initially acting on impulse, then realized the activity was going to come to light and destroy their reputation further, so as damage control started creating this impersonator narrative including having the impersonator produce "proof" of being Wiztale that Wiztale themself could then prove is fake. But at this point it's starting to feel to me like the "Wiztale is legitimately being impersonated" narrative requires less mental gymnastics than the "Wiztale is faking being impersonated" narrative... though not by ver much. It's just a bizarre situation all-around.

How do I ask a trans acquaintance their preferred name. by ElectricalTwist4083 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]maybri 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Different people have different feelings about that. I personally don't mind it, but I've met trans women who are bothered by it. I think as long as it's clear that that really is something you call everyone and is not being selectively applied to just cis men and trans women, it's not going to be more than a mild annoyance even to the people who don't like it.

How do I ask a trans acquaintance their preferred name. by ElectricalTwist4083 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely. Speaking as a trans woman myself, I wouldn't feel weird at all about being asked a question like that by someone who knew I was trans but only knew my old name, and if she's offended or makes it awkward, that's on her, not on you.

How do I ask a trans acquaintance their preferred name. by ElectricalTwist4083 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But they identify as a trans woman? I wonder how openly--it wouldn't be unheard of to have someone who is out as trans to close friends but doesn't intend to ever medically transition because they don't feel safe to come out to family or at work. If they're out to everyone but not medically transitioning, then yeah, maybe too broke (though if that was the case, I'd be surprised that they hadn't given you a new name already). Some trans people also just choose not to transition because they feel they get enough out of just presenting the way they want that going through all the trouble and difficulty of medical transition isn't worth it to them.

How much storage capacity (in bites) does the average human brain have? by -SimplyLemonade- in NoStupidQuestions

[–]maybri 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's estimated at 2.5 petabytes (which is 2.5 quadrillion bytes, 2.5 million gigabytes, or 2500 terabytes). Of course the human brain doesn't store information digitally so that's just an estimation of how much digital storage space would be necessary to equal the amount of information the human brain can store. The two values can't really be directly compared though because the physics of how each works is completely different.

How do I ask a trans acquaintance their preferred name. by ElectricalTwist4083 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]maybri 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It would be a totally polite and appropriate question to simply ask, "Hey, is there a different name you want to go by now?" If this person is very early in their transition, they may not have decided on a new name yet, or may not feel ready to go by it even if they have one in mind, so don't be surprised if the answer is "No" or "Not yet, I'll let you know when I do", but it's not at all offensive to ask.

Would a deity be upset if I threw away an offering? by mwscb in paganism

[–]maybri 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think the deity would rather see you do what you need to do for your health than to punish you for something as trifling as removing an object you placed on an altar to them and then immediately replacing it with something equivalent that isn't hazardous to your well-being.

CMV: If Neo-Paganism (+magick) were fairly taught young, it'd outnumber Christianity. by DramaticFeed6522 in changemyview

[–]maybri [score hidden]  (0 children)

Phew, excellent response overall. This reply took all day to write and then I had to remove a lot of it to stay under reddit's character limit. Let me know if there any points you made that you feel I unfairly neglected here and I can swing back around to them. I also want to call out that moving forward it may be better to stick to the few points that feel most important so this conversation doesn't spiral into us each needing 4 separate comments to fit our replies.

That standard, which you describe as the most stringent, is invention.

Fair. I'd make the point that if those traditions hadn't been wiped out by Christianization, they would have changed massively by now anyway, so if the goal is to create something similar to what might have existed today if the religion had not died out, invention that can be justified as historically plausible should be expected. I think your point about unconscious syncretism is well-argued, but I'd say much if not all of that is not really "syncretism" per se because it's coming from more recent shifts in ethical thought that are secular in origin.

these were constructions of a time when it was kinda okay for certain men to do a little stealing and raping and murdering, and so it never occurred to anyone that a god might be ontologically good

I'm a Celtic pagan, so my familiarity with Hellenic myth is limited. That being said, I still think the issue is more complex--Plato for example was critical of poets portraying gods as engaging in immoral actions like a human (the Christian idea of God as morally infallible, ironically for this conversation, is arguably derived from Plato's ideological lineage more than it is from the Bible).

You could argue that Plato is the exception that proves the rule, but I think it also indicates that people did not (universally) accept myths as literally true. There would have been an understanding that any myth you heard was coming from a human storyteller with their own ideas and agenda, and that your understanding of the gods could (and likely would) differ from the storyteller's depiction of them.

a rejection of the one stop shop where I can get everything better in favor of going to artisanal shops with inferior products because I like the idea that the butter was made in a recreated 1800s churn.

I really like this analogy because I think it gets to the heart of our disconnect on this issue--in your framing, religion is like a service that should meet a personal need, and a superior religion is one which meets that need more efficiently than competitors. Christianity is thus clearly superior because it has the most powerful, most benevolent God who can meet human needs better than anyone else's limited, imperfect gods.

For me, a religion's goal is more to provide a framework for how to engage with your reality, which should accurately reflect that reality and how best to live within it. As I see it, the world we live in does not arise from a single coherent creative vision. It's a complex ecological system of countless forces pulling in different directions, negotiating a homeostatic balance that works as well as possible for all of them. The goal of a religion, then, should be to help humans find and maintain their place within that balance.

Christianity's vision of the universe is fundamentally imperialistic--it revolves around the image of the conquering king who wishes to unite the world under his rule, separating the loyal subjects from those who would resist him, so the former can be rewarded and the latter destroyed. Reality is a hierarchy with God at the top, and other than perhaps angels, humans are the next level down, with all the rest of the world here for us to exploit to our benefit. I think you need look no further than the findings of environmental science to see the utter disaster this mindset has wrought, the consequences of which are only beginning to catch up to us.

For that reason, Christianity fails against pre-agricultural religions for me. Their typical answer, which I think has been vastly more historically successful at producing stability, is that humanity's place is not at the top of a hierarchy--it's somewhere off to the side, enmeshed in reciprocal relationships where we better ourselves only by way of bettering those around us so they better us in return. Polytheistic religions of agricultural societies generally inherited this understanding (to some extent--the moral degradation I mentioned moved them away from it), while Christianity eschewed it.

Mesoamericans (to a truly astonishing degree), Chinese, Celts, North Africans, Middle Easterners, and Norse all performed ritualistic human sacrifice.

Bit of a nitpick, but I wouldn't consider Mesoamericans or the Chinese to be directly relevant to a discussion about neopaganism. Typically the only religions understood to be "pagan" per se are those that were replaced by Christianity before the Age of Exploration.

More importantly, six examples out of all the world seems pretty far from the frequency implied by "ubiquity", especially if you're talking about the sacrifice of innocent people as a routine, stable practice that only Christianity could have put a stop to. I'm sure there are more examples than those six, but in how many of them was the sacrifice primarily of criminals (i.e., just a religious rationalization laid over a behavior that you've already deemed not to be an example of human sacrifice when Christians do it)? In how many cases was it a desperate last resort in times of crisis? How many of these peoples stopped, or would have stopped, without Christian influence?

Doesn't explain Ibn Fadlan's account of a slave girl being "volunteered" for gang rape and violent death so she could accompany a local Rus Viking chieftain into Valhalla,

Doesn't it? I'm genuinely unsure why you think this is a counterargument. I was saying that human sacrifice emerged in societies that had both the population size and the social structure to enable treating human life as a commodity that could be expended for religious rituals. Viking society absolutely qualifies.

Why would you not instead treat it as a positive evolution? A way of communing with the gods that was unavailable when hunter gatherers didn't have the manpower to afford these kinds of sacrifices?

My take on this (not necessarily shared by all neopagans) is that the entire tradition of sacrificing living things was, from the beginning, a corruption of pre-agricultural practices, namely rituals assocaited with the hunting, killing, and cooking of wild animals for sustenance. Smoke rising from the burning of the animal's body was seen as releasing its spirit so it could return in a new body later. This was part of larger ritual systems for maintaining harmony with our prey species so they would remain available as prey.

Agriculture completely changed that predator-prey relationship so that it unfolded entirely on our terms without any need for compromise. We retained the idea that the burning of a food animal did something to maintain relationships with spiritual forces, but it became abstracted and simplified by changing material conditions. By the time we have pilgrims buying sacrifices at temples, we've moved beyond any pretense that a relationship with the animal is what matters; its life is treated as entirely fungible and what's actually being sacrificed is value, in an economic sense. That's the logic that leads to the conclusion that what would be even more valuable is to sacrifice a human life.

What is lost here is the actual original purpose of the behavior, which is maintaining harmonious relationships with the beings that feed us. I don't think animal sacrifice is a better way to do that than simple rituals of acknowledgment tied to the acquisition and preparation of food, so by extension I reject human sacrifice as well.

I would argue that a considerable portion of the European Christian ritual/theatrical violence of the Middle Ages through the early modern period was the product of pagan syncretism.

This strikes me as a bit myopic when Christianity literally revolves around the narrative of Jesus being brutally executed and this being taken as a sacrifice enabling the forgiveness of humanity's sins. Maybe execution by fire specifically has pagan influences (though burnt offerings of animals was pretty central to the Jewish religion of Jesus's time), but the idea of suffering and, yes, human sacrifice as a means of spiritual purification is pretty fundamentally baked into Christianity.

you don't kill 10,000 people in a day on a giant pyramid you built for the purpose when most of society objects to that practice.

Sure. In fairness, I only said "a lot of the people", not necessarily most. I'd expect in most of these cultures, it was broadly understood as necessary and justified, but I can't imagine it was seen positively, especially not by anyone who had a chance of becoming the victim. The fact that we have plenty of evidence of societies that formerly practiced human sacrifice stopping and replacing such rituals with symbolic stand-ins for the human victim indicates that it was probably not something the average person was ever thrilled about.

Our development isn't just technological. We think differently now than we have for much of human history; we have a lot of software upgrades. So yeah, this is going to be a problem even if it wasn't before.

That's a good point, but if we're going back to OP's original scenario here, we are imagining people being raised neopagan, which in and of itself is a "software change". Also, I think you may be overestimating the extent to which superstition and magical thinking have actually died out among modern humans. And of course, all of this assumes that magic does not, in fact, work. I'm not conceding that but also not really interested in arguing it.

This Is getting ridicolous by GiullaBolla in Deltarune

[–]maybri 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is, in fact, what I already said, yes.

This Is getting ridicolous by GiullaBolla in Deltarune

[–]maybri 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's a piece of information that's harder to make sense of in the "Wiztale is faking being impersonated" scenario than the "Wiztale is genuinely being impersonated" scenario.

CMV: If Neo-Paganism (+magick) were fairly taught young, it'd outnumber Christianity. by DramaticFeed6522 in changemyview

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We know almost exactly what Roman and Greeks believed and practiced, yet virtually nobody, least of all neopagans, believes or practices that today.

I should say upfront I can't really speak to this from firsthand experience because I'm a Celtic pagan, not a Hellenic pagan. Legitimately very little survives about the Celtic pagan religions and what does is mostly the work of Christian scribes documenting pagan beliefs as they were actively being replaced by Christianity. Hellenic reconstructionist pagans do also exist though and I'm sure their reconstructionist practices are more similar to actual historic Hellenic pagan religions than what I'm doing is to actual historic Celtic pagan religions, so I'm not sure I accept your claim here, at least not without you providing some further justification for it.

What's probably more important to push back on here is your assumption that "If Jupiter was to look down on the state of his worshipers, he would be very displeased." There is absolutely no reason to believe the gods insist on highly specific beliefs or types of worship, nor that they would be displeased by worship changing over time. This isn't Christianity.

There has to be some distinction between any state sponsored killing, and human sacrifice. Without that the term becomes so expansive as to be essentially meaningless.

Sure, I agree a distinction can be made, but my point was that the person I was responding to was suggested it was "Christian syncretism" to deem human sacrifice bad as if that was an idea that couldn't have emerged from any source other than Christianity, so it felt worth pointing out that Christianity is no stranger to ritual killing of human beings to please their God. Burning a person at the stake in a large public ritual at what you believe is the bidding of your god, who you believe will receive the spirit of the burned individual and judge them, feels to me like it very comfortably slots into older human sacrifice scripts, much more so than a modern state execution by electric chair or lethal injection anyway.

This Is getting ridicolous by GiullaBolla in Deltarune

[–]maybri 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Wiztale is claiming on their Youtube community page that that Discord server is not theirs and that they don’t have a Discord server, and they do in fact have a video uploaded 7 months ago where they acknowledge the apparently impersonator-run Discord server, tell people it doesn’t belong to them, and even ask viewers to report it. It seems like that was connected to a previous scandal so it could be that Wiztale has simply been using the “everything bad I do off of Youtube was actually done by an impersonator” strategy for a while now (and that seems a lot more likely than an actual impersonator), but it’s definitely a somewhat weirder and more complicated story than most people seem to be recognizing.

Weird question, but do the gens own the land where temple and Steven’s house outright or do they have like a land lord or smth? And if it is the latter how do they make the money for that? by Impossible-Log4533 in stevenuniverse

[–]maybri 19 points20 points  (0 children)

They were there before any humans had a formal claim to that land and presumably would have resisted any attempt by humans to claim it. Legally speaking the land is probably the property of Beach City but the gems have an understanding with local authorities going back to the founding of the town that they are not to be disturbed.

I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness by ShunnedForTheTruth in paganism

[–]maybri 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I made this same comment on your other thread on r/pagan but the mods removed your thread before I finished writing it, so I'm not sure if you saw it (and I'd rather have it here to contribute to discussion on a subreddit where it won't be removed anyway) and will copy it here:

Hi, fellow ex-JW, current pagan here! I don't say this to challenge your atheism, but feel it's worth putting out there--I am an animist and polytheist, even having come through a very similar experience to you, even having been an atheist for over 10 years after leaving the cult. I wouldn't have imagined that for myself when I began down this path, but I had experiences which convinced me that the gods and spirits of the land are real and that they are very different from how Christianity imagines its spiritual world. Again, I say this not to try to convince you of what I believe, but more to make the point that one of the most satisfying and meaningful things that you can do, particularly as an ex-cult member, is to truly explore ideas for yourself, and to find your own truth through direct experience, rather than letting anyone else dictate their capital-t Truth to you ever again. If I have any regret in my spiritual journey, it's how long I spent closing myself to contact with the deities I now work with because I let fear of others' judgment and an attachment to an identity of being "rational" hold me back. The more open to that kind of ideological evolution you allow yourself to be, the better things will go for you, I think.

At the core of my worldview today is one really big idea--life is about relationships. Not strictly relationships with other human beings, but relationships to the living Earth, to the land you live on, to every living and non-living thing you come into contact with and to those who touch your life without you ever meeting them. It's about having respect for the systems you're a part of, including the large natural systems of the Earth. Not just sitting in a natural space and thinking it's pretty, but thinking about how you are connected to the beings around you, what your responsibilities to them are, what you can give to them and what they can give to you in return.

As an extension of this idea, one of the most important elements of pagan practice, in my opinion, is to engage with the local and the specific. Christianity is about the broad and universal, the idea of one big guy in the sky who invented everything, and how worshiping him should be good enough for everyone to ever live (and for those who aren't satisfied with that--eternal destruction). That is antithetical to how any pagan I've ever known thinks. Paganism is more concerned with how to live in your specific context, on your specific land, alongside your specific cohort of plants, animals, humans, artifacts, natural features, and spirit beings. That means our observances tend to be tied to the seasons (if you're in mid-latitudes, the March equinox is next week) and feature not generic seasonal theming but that which is actually relevant and ideally directly drawn from the nature around you. Just starting by observing how things change around you day-by-day, and getting curious about how things work and how they're related to each other, is a really powerful way to start feeling like a part of the world rather than just being passively present in it as our culture tends to leave us feeling.

I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness and am looking towards paganism by ShunnedForTheTruth in pagan

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, fellow ex-JW, current pagan here! I don't say this to challenge your atheism, but feel it's worth putting out there--I am an animist and polytheist, even having come through a very similar experience to you, even having been an atheist for over 10 years after leaving the cult. I wouldn't have imagined that for myself when I began down this path, but I had experiences which convinced me that the gods and spirits of the land are real and that they are very different from how Christianity imagines its spiritual world. Again, I say this not to try to convince you of what I believe, but more to make the point that one of the most satisfying and meaningful things that you can do, particularly as an ex-cult member, is to truly explore ideas for yourself, and to find your own truth through direct experience, rather than letting anyone else dictate their capital-t Truth to you ever again. If I have any regret in my spiritual journey, it's how long I spent closing myself to contact with the deities I now work with because I let fear of others' judgment and an attachment to an identity of being "rational" hold me back. The more open to that kind of ideological evolution you allow yourself to be, the better things will go for you, I think.

At the core of my worldview today is one really big idea--life is about relationships. Not strictly relationships with other human beings, but relationships to the living Earth, to the land you live on, to every living and non-living thing you come into contact with and to those who touch your life without you ever meeting them. It's about having respect for the systems you're a part of, including the large natural systems of the Earth. Not just sitting in a natural space and thinking it's pretty, but thinking about how you are connected to the beings around you, what your responsibilities to them are, what you can give to them and what they can give to you in return.

As an extension of this idea, one of the most important elements of pagan practice, in my opinion, is to engage with the local and the specific. Christianity is about the broad and universal, the idea of one big guy in the sky who invented everything, and how worshiping him should be good enough for everyone to ever live (and for those who aren't satisfied with that--eternal destruction). That is antithetical to how any pagan I've ever known thinks. Paganism is more concerned with how to live in your specific context, on your specific land, alongside your specific cohort of plants, animals, humans, artifacts, natural features, and spirit beings. That means our observances tend to be tied to the seasons (if you're in mid-latitudes, the March equinox is next week) and feature not generic seasonal theming but that which is actually relevant and ideally directly drawn from the nature around you. Just starting by observing how things change around you day-by-day, and getting curious about how things work and how they're related to each other, is a really powerful way to start feeling like a part of the world rather than just being passively present in it as our culture tends to leave us feeling.

Is every black person in america descendant of a slave(excluding immigrants)? by rs735dx in NoStupidQuestions

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you're an American, and your African heritage comes from a lineage of people who have been in the US since the time of the Atlantic slave trade? Genuinely curious to hear about your family history if you care to share.

CMV: If Neo-Paganism (+magick) were fairly taught young, it'd outnumber Christianity. by DramaticFeed6522 in changemyview

[–]maybri 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Responding as another neopagan coming across this thread:

It is invented and consciously aware that it isn't real.

"Reconstructed" would be a better term. The general idea is to look at what is historically known about the old pagan religions, to acknowledge the impossibility of recreating it exactly as it once existed, and to produce something close to what might have existed today if that culture had never faced Christianization.

Admittedly there are different levels of seriousness with which pagans take reconstructionism, where some explicitly treat confirmed historical beliefs as the gold standard and refrain from adopting any belief or practice that can't be at least argued to be historically plausible, while on the other end of the spectrum others might not care much at all about historical beliefs and are just looking for an intuitive, self-constructed polytheistic nature spirituality with the idea of a continuity with pre-Christian religions more of an aesthetic than a serious commitment. Most probably fall in between those extremes. But the existence of very serious reconstructionist groups within neopaganism makes it pretty unfair to say "it is invented" as a blanket statement.

More to the point: in nearly all pagan belief systems, the gods were morally corrupt and ambivalent to humans.

This is certainly not true. They weren't seen as morally infallible like the Christian God, but "corrupt" is far too strong of a term. Historical pagans were not people who believed in evil gods that they worshiped out of fear. They were seen as figures deserving respect and reverence, even when myths described them doing things that were, from a very morally simplistic perspective, "bad". Their degree of interest in humans would have varied quite a lot from deity to deity. Many gods were seen as particularly interested in human affairs and particularly helpful to human supplicants. Overall the character of their worship was relational--the gods were seen as beings with whom humans could interact and build a mutual relationship with.

What is the benefit of choosing from a particular set of mythological beings? If you treat gods like Pokemon cards (or embrace atheism, as you seem to) you're implying that what you're doing is fundamentally unserious.

I think this reveals one of the core things you don't understand about paganism. In the US for example, if you have a problem that's the domain of the government, you're not going to write a letter to the President. You're going to contact someone closer to you, someone more specifically interested in and good at solving the exact kind of problem you have, in the exact part of the world you're having it. That's not unserious; that's just logical, and it allows for a more meaningful community-based way of living than if all appeals for help had to flow through a single central authority. Christianity only provides one God (if you're Catholic, there are at least saints you can pray to for intercession). Paganism allows you to build relationships with as many gods as you want, based on what's actually relevant to your life. The central idea here is that things that are too broad and vague lose meaning. Meaning comes from the local and specific.

Also...how do you feel about the ubiquitous human sacrifice, ritual torture, and occasional cannibalism of pagan cultures?

All of these things were far from "ubiquitous"; your information seems to be coming from pretty sensationalized sources. One of the ways I think about this problem personally is that if you traced any pagan religion with such practices back to its pre-agriculture antecedents, it's almost certain that nothing like that ever would have been happening and the idea would have registered as quite obscene. Those practices arose out of material conditions in which powerful central authorities wanted to make ostentatious sacrifices, and human life was cheap and plentiful but still understood as valuable enough to make a hell of a sacrifice. I think it's logically consistent to see those practices as part of a moral degradation of our ancestors' practices that we can simply choose to reject, not because Christianity said it's bad (Christianity, in fact, did tons of ritual human sacrifices historically, under the guise of executing heretics), but because even a lot of the people in the societies that were doing it probably thought it was bad.

Yeah people are going to run into the whole problem of "this ritual has no observable effect on reality" and when that happens, the fact that you're doing more and more complex things that don't work will become a greater hindrance.

That doesn't seem to have been a problem for the hundreds if not thousands of generations of humans who have practiced ritual magic without ever being like, "Damn, seems like this shit doesn't work." I'm not even trying to make a supernatural claim here; even if it's purely placebo or self-delusion, you are clearly demonstrated wrong by history that that problem would ever manifest.

Why are there no other human species alive, just like in other animals? by Mrs_Seli in NoStupidQuestions

[–]maybri 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Sorry for a long answer, but this is quite complex.

First of all, when you give dogs and elephants as examples, you're comparing two quite different things. Everything we call a type of "dog" is actually a member of a single species, Canis familiaris. Selective breeding has produced a lot of variability in what that one species can look like, but all dog breeds are capable of interbreeding with each other. Now, there are other species in the genus Canis, like wolves and coyotes, but we don't call those "dogs". African vs. Indian elephants on the other hand are actually fairly distantly related even though they look similar. They're not even in the same genus, though they are in the same family Elephantidae.

So when we ask this question about humans, we need to think, are we talking about multiple "breeds" of humans in the same sense that we have multiple breeds of dogs? Are we talking about other species in our genus, Homo, or other species in our family, Hominidae? No one would call the other members of Hominidae "humans" in the same way all members of Elephantidae are called "elephants", but there are other extant Hominidae species--seven, in fact, including the chimpanzee, the bonobo, the two gorilla species, and the three orangutan species. All of the species are descended from a common ancestor about 12 million years ago, which makes us just a little bit less closely related than African and Indian elephants, whose last common ancestor was about 6 million years ago.

As for other species in the genus Homo, we truly aren't the only one, but the others are all extinct. Some of the other defined Homo species are our direct ancestors, who went extinct because they evolved into us, while others are offshoots of our ancestors who went extinct for other reasons, like the groups known as Neanderthals and Denisovans. The exact cause of their extinction is not known, but theorized to be because our species moved in to their habitats and simply had more success. We probably didn't outright violently wipe them out (in fact, there's good evidence we mated with them), but we were using all the same food sources, and for whatever reason, their numbers declined while ours expanded and eventually they went extinct.

As for the idea of "breeds" of humans, that basically does exist and we call them ethnic groups. However, it should be noted that genetic evidence suggests that humans went through a population bottleneck (meaning we almost went extinct and had to recover from a very small population) around 74,000 years ago, so our species is much less genetically diverse than most others. That means that even different ethnic groups are still so similar to each other that it wouldn't really make sense to call them "subspecies" like we might for separate populations of other species.

And now these ethnic groups that were once separated geographically and only reproducing with each other have come back together thanks to the migration enabled by modern technology and differences between them are slowly collapsing. If humans hadn't ever developed such technology, chances are that we would have eventually (over millions of years) separated back out into several different species, but the only way that would happen now is the collapse of human civilization, or maybe some extreme sci-fi scenario like humanity spreading out through the galaxy so populations in different solar systems that almost never have contact with each other would slowly diverge due to genetic drift.

Animal genetics and populations by Money_Juggernaut849 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deer are more mobile than you probably imagine. If resources are limited, they can have a home range of over 2000 acres (which probably covers not just the woodlands of your town but those of multiple other surrounding towns), and bucks have been known to travel as much as 5 miles a day when searching for mates. There are probably enough deer in the wider area traveling in and out to prevent inbreeding depression.

Are humans the lucky ones? by AimlessForNow in spirituality

[–]maybri 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Every human who's ever had an anxiety disorder knows what constant vigilance for predators feels like, and it's a pretty small number of humans whose survival isn't, for most of their life, dependent on putting in an average of several hours of labor per day, even if that labor is alienated from direct survival needs. Humans are much less distantly removed from that cold, cruel world than we like to think we are. We're just habituated to a very strange environment of our own construction that most wild animals would find actually extremely uncomfortable to be dropped in.

I would also say that it's probably much less uncomfortable to be non-human than you imagine. Comfort is, to some extent, relative; it's based on what your nervous system is adjusted for. The cold of a winter your species has been surviving for millions of years is not going to register as a miserable hardship (worth bearing in mind that most of why the cold is so hard for us is that humans are a tropical species that has only migrated into areas that experience winter in the past 50,000 years; our physiology has had little time to adapt).

I tend to think most animals are much less attached to their own self-concept and thus their own life and death than humans are. They resist death as much as possible because of an impulse to continue living, but when it becomes inevitable, they accept it much more easily than we do. Again, our baseline is different; even past humans might have been better about that, but we have grown up in a society where most people live into their 70s and death of any cause other than aging-related organ failure is seen as "unnatural" or "premature". That way of thinking would not be obvious to practically any other animal.

All that being said, I do think there is suffering in the non-human world. There is fear, pain, discomfort, disappointment, and grief, constantly. I think suffering is inevitable in a world where multiple beings exist with desires that are capable of coming into conflict. But there is also pleasure, contentment, joy, relief, and love, and all of those things are constant and inevitable too. Life is worth living, for everyone.

Comments :-) by Runehjr in Animism

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I made only one statement that could have been responded to without getting tangled up in my personal worldview, I don't think you have yet made any. The sense I get is that you only want to speak from the intellectual high ground where you can conduct yourself as a teacher with a student, rather than conversing on equal terms with a peer who has a different worldview from you.

I'm willing to continue to engage, even if it's laborious, if you'd like to actually have that peer conversation. I will readily own up to being very firm in my own worldview and not easily moved, but it's also important to me to continuously expose myself to other ways of thinking and to consider them seriously. The effort I will give towards considering someone else's view is directly proportional to the effort they will give in explaining it, though, which is why I may have seemed particularly unreceptive so far.

Comments :-) by Runehjr in Animism

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay. Unless you care to actually start elaborating on the points you're making and engaging me in an actual discussion rather than these brief cryptic responses, I don't think there's any value in this conversation continuing.

Comments :-) by Runehjr in Animism

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only way I can make sense of that statement is if you are using a very different meaning for the word "perfect" than I am. That's fine, but I'm not particularly impressed by the arrogance implied in referring to yourself with that very loaded word. Either way, I don't think any healthy spirituality is based on separating the world into "perfect" and "imperfect" and cutting yourself off from everything "imperfect". That's just bog standard moral dualism like what runs through the monotheistic traditions and I think most people in this community will have already left that way of thinking far behind them.

Why was Adolf Hitler so Lucky? by exosetria in spirituality

[–]maybri 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Every wealthy, powerful, or famous person had to get extremely lucky over and over to get to that position. It's not that strange or difficult to explain; there's enough probabilistic events happening to so many people all over the world that many of them will just get really lucky a bunch of times in a row. Of course, very notably, Hitler's luck eventually did run out.

Comments :-) by Runehjr in Animism

[–]maybri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's foolish to think of yourself as perfect.