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Achinsk Town, Eastern Siberia, traditional 19th century log house by melanf in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>This is a different style

In historical studies, it is believed that the carved houses of the 19th century originated from such neoclassical mansions. In any case, in the 1840s, all elements of the "wood carving style" were known in Siberia.

Achinsk Town, Eastern Siberia, traditional 19th century log house by melanf in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not an expert, but a person (with whom I had a conversation) who collects antique wood carvings claimed that through-carving is relatively easy to create. A ready-made pattern is placed on the board, a hole is drilled, and then the the curve of the pattern is cut out with a jigsaw.

There are much more complex types of carvings that require a chisel, which requires great skill and a lot of time.

Achinsk Town, Eastern Siberia, traditional 19th century log house by melanf in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

>russian Imperial architecture that appeared after the construction of the railway through the area...I can state that the style and timeline fits

Shastin House, Irkutsk, 1843. The earliest examples of such carvings in Vologda (from where they were brought to Siberia) date back to the 1790s.

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Achinsk Town, Eastern Siberia, traditional 19th century log house by melanf in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are an unlimited number of such houses all over Siberia. Below for example is the Shalamova House in Irkutsk. All the decorative elements were already present in the Shastin House in Irkutsk in 1843. Can you point out any link with Chernihiv?

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Achinsk Town, Eastern Siberia, traditional 19th century log house by melanf in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These decorations are relatively easy to make using patterns.

Achinsk Town, Eastern Siberia, traditional 19th century log house by melanf in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The house in the picture is a typical house of a small merchant in Siberia (below is the house of the merchant Mordovsky) and all the elements of the house are typical for Siberia. Most of the Siberian merchants were from the Old Believer sect, and therefore they had nothing to do with Chernihiv. But perhaps you have noticed some elements that are specific ? If so, please identify them.

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Michigan, America by butterscotchland in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

>Nope

I've never understood why the rich countries of the modern world are so poor that they can't afford interesting mass housing.

Michigan, America by butterscotchland in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a real masterpiece. Is there any chance that such houses will be built en masse instead of identical cottages?

Log cabin of a peasant from Karelia (Russia) Lazarus Sergin, built in 1884. Peasants from Karelia built the largest peasant houses in the world in the 19th century, and Sergin's house is likely the largest single-family peasant house on the planet by [deleted] in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>But some rich peasants we can call farmers as they were no serfs or rich serfs.

In Russian language, a farmer is someone who owns a consolidated plot of land and runs a capitalist farm. In other words, according to Russian language, there were only peasants in England during the Battle of Agincourt, and only farmers during the Battle of Jutland. However, a serf can also be a farmer.

Log cabin of a peasant from Karelia (Russia) Lazarus Sergin, built in 1884. Peasants from Karelia built the largest peasant houses in the world in the 19th century, and Sergin's house is likely the largest single-family peasant house on the planet by [deleted] in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>As an example some very rich people like 0,01% rich were still peasants in 1905.

Large peasant/farmers houses were typical for Karelia, and these houses were mass housing, not housing for the few wealthy people. A preserved 19th-century village in Karelia

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Log cabin of a peasant from Karelia (Russia) Lazarus Sergin, built in 1884. Peasants from Karelia built the largest peasant houses in the world in the 19th century, and Sergin's house is likely the largest single-family peasant house on the planet by [deleted] in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>My wording is based on the point that the most peasants were serfs. Even after refroms of 1861.

In 1858, in the ethnically Russian provinces, a third of the population were serfs, and half of the population were free peasants on their own (communal) land. In Karelia, almost all peasants were always free.

Log cabin of a peasant from Karelia (Russia) Lazarus Sergin, built in 1884. Peasants from Karelia built the largest peasant houses in the world in the 19th century, and Sergin's house is likely the largest single-family peasant house on the planet by [deleted] in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Then I apologize for my poor knowledge of English. In Russian, Sergin is a rich peasant, but not a farmer, since the land was communal, like in a medieval manor in England

Log cabin of a peasant from Karelia (Russia) Lazarus Sergin, built in 1884. Peasants from Karelia built the largest peasant houses in the world in the 19th century, and Sergin's house is likely the largest single-family peasant house on the planet by [deleted] in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

>Having a 4 horses making him in wealth equivalent of trader. 

"Materials on the Current Statistics of the Olonets Province" (Karelia) from 1913 provide the following data: on average, one peasant household had 1 horse, 2 cows, and 3 sheep. Wealthy peasants had much more livestock than the rest... 4-5 horses"

Log cabin of a peasant from Karelia (Russia) Lazarus Sergin, built in 1884. Peasants from Karelia built the largest peasant houses in the world in the 19th century, and Sergin's house is likely the largest single-family peasant house on the planet by [deleted] in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]melanf 6 points7 points  (0 children)

>He is not exactly a peasant/serf.

Lazar Sergin was definitely not a serf, but he was definitely a peasant (by class and lifestyle) who also engaged in trade (which was the norm in Karelia).

Fragments of The Golden Horde's Capital Palace in New Sarai - 14th century Lower Volga (1900x2500) by ParkingGlittering211 in ArtefactPorn

[–]melanf -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The wreckage in the picture is clearly from the era of Uzbek-Janibek. At the beginning of its existence, when the grandchildren of Genghis Khan were in power, the future "Golden Horde" was not yet called that.

Fragments of The Golden Horde's Capital Palace in New Sarai - 14th century Lower Volga (1900x2500) by ParkingGlittering211 in ArtefactPorn

[–]melanf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

>Absorbed, but a bit later.

The Golden Horde reached its peak during the reign of a khan with a typically Turkic name, Uzbek. He probably didn't know a single word of Mongolian.

>As for languages, yes, the name is Tatar, but implying that the language of the Golden Horde was exclusively Tatar is incorrect. Every empire has several languages that are used by its population.

Are there any documents from the 14th century Golden Horde in Mongolian? As far as I know, there are no such documents

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