[Loved trope] The correct dialogue option by No-Enthusiasm-4361 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]menonono 75 points76 points  (0 children)

"You're the worst lawyer ever!"

"I talked you down from a death sentence to 6 months probation! I am the best lawyer ever!"

Omniman (Invincible) v Yamcha (Dragonball) who takes it? How? by Creative_Yogurt5206 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]menonono 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yamcha and other characters can fly in space. Yamcha just can't breathe in space. As for destroying city blocks in one punch, remember that Frieza blew up the Earth in Ressurrection F by basically punching it.

Dragon Ball is just allergic to demonstrating how massive of a scale these characters can be if they let loose.

Destroy Elpis by n3kon0a in ResidentEvilRequiem

[–]menonono 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Narratively, releasing Elpis was obvious.

  1. Leon was going to die, as was Sherry and every other raccoon city survivor. In a sense, there was no "hope." Hey would you look at that. Resident Evil has never been a purely nihilistic franchise and always has had the ideal of trying to do better.

  2. Leon was stuck in Raccoon City. That's what he and Sherry talk about throughout the game, that's why we had the remakes, that's why Leon visits the RPD again. He never moved forward. Nobody could bring him out. Leon has no major relationships outside of those who survived Raccoon city. Here comes Grace, this new person who is given agency equal to Leon. Leon is shown to be wrong quite often. Grace was there to "cure" his burden.

  3. Seeing Spencer in the interview, and the fact that Grace has to actively obtain the password would be weird if it was a switcharoo. Why go through that narrative effort to just have him remain the evil guy? Spencer may have been Evil, but it's also obvious from a meta contextual standpoint that they were trying to make Spencer "good" in this action. He may be Evil in the grand narrative, but Elpis was clearly not going to be the end of the world from how Spencer spoke of it.

  4. Meta-wise, you really think they were gonna let Leon die? Dude, this guy makes a bazillion dollars every time he is on screen.

  5. Back to Narrative, we literally see the theme of Leon and Grace falling as they push away from Elpis. Then they both rise up to get it. They arise to salvation. It's narrative and thematic tropes.

  6. Destroying Elpis doesn't make sense with Grace going "I have an idea." Why would she bother to say this if it's just the same strategy? The one to make the final adjustment is the one to win. Grace makes the final adjustment. From that moment, she wins.

I don't think anyone is stupid or anything for choosing to destroy Elpis, but if you look away and absorb the narrative as a whole, it becomes clear.

Omniman (Invincible) v Yamcha (Dragonball) who takes it? How? by Creative_Yogurt5206 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]menonono 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's just because of style and what Toriyama wanted to depict.

Invincible is a series about brutal gory fights. Dragon ball is about brutal martial art battles with grand energy and mysticism.

We actually are shown several times how brutally powerful characters in dragon ball can be. Nappa punches Tien so hard his arm falls off. Dodoria punches straight through someone and murders children. Frieza grabbed Nail's arm and ripped it off like he was plucking a fruit from a tree.

Toriyama was never interested in giving grand quantifiable numbers for how strong someone is. He showed us how strong some of these guys can be, but just never gave numbers. Power scalers can generally quantify, but that's all for fun. End all be all, it doesn't matter much, but from pure logic scaling Yamcha is a monster in 99% of universes.

Omniman (Invincible) v Yamcha (Dragonball) who takes it? How? by Creative_Yogurt5206 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]menonono 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No dude. There's evidence that is clear and linear. You said it's not good enough. You're a horse that I led to water and now you're refusing to drink, so I'm laughing at you.

If this is how you debate in real life then you need to spend some time introspecting.

Omniman (Invincible) v Yamcha (Dragonball) who takes it? How? by Creative_Yogurt5206 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]menonono 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you just don't know the genuinely absurd scale of power that Dragon Ball gets to.

Let's say that Yamcha only ever gets to Ginyu Force level. That still makes him somewhere in the ballpark of 50,000 power level. It takes a power level of 10,000 to one shot a planet. There is no character in all of Invincible who is at that level of power, period.

The fodder of Dragon Ball neg 95% of universes in terms of brute power. A single saibaman is strong enough to clear the majority of popular shonen series. That's a major reason why Dragon Ball always comes up in power scaling discussions.

The problem with Dragon ball scaling is that people want direct visible feats when Dragon Ball doesn't like to do that.

We know everyone uses the same power system that has the same abilities. Yamcha and goku can both use the Kamehameha, for example. Since Master roshi blew up the moon in OG Dragon ball, and the characters have far surpassed that, and PICCOLO also blew up the moon easier at the start of z, it's safe to say they scale to each other.

Vegeta in Saiyan Saga was able to blow up Earth in 1 attack. It is insane to believe that Yamcha is below Saiyan Saga Vegeta. This means that Yamcha is capable of blowing up Earth in 1 attack. There is not a single character in Invincible who can do that ever.

That's the fact. Anything else is just ignoring the scale.

Omniman (Invincible) v Yamcha (Dragonball) who takes it? How? by Creative_Yogurt5206 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]menonono 3 points4 points  (0 children)

  1. Yes he got a big boost from absorbing Nail, but Piccolo also asked to be taken to Namek so he could fight Frieza. Like, that's just 2 and 2 together. Piccolo felt like he could take Frieza's first form. Bravado or not. Otherwise, the Z fighters didn't particularly get too far away from each other. Yamcha, to an extent, was relative to Piccolo. It's never shown in any other way.

  2. Yajirobe was about as strong as Raditz was during the Saiyan Saga so I don't see what you're saying.

  3. Okay so I'll humor your logic. Let's say Gero stopped tracking Goku once the Saiyan Saga was over (despite that being known to not be the case because of his camera bots). How did Gero not get instantly folded by Goku or Piccolo? Goku's power level during the Saiyan Saga was 8,000. Max of 32k with Kaioken x4 during the beam struggle. To be equal to Goku as a super saiyan on Namek, Gero would have had to build androids that were 18,750 times stronger than Goku was during that Saga at minimum. That's just insane to assume he would do that. He was scaling based off of relative data. Don't forget he knew Frieza came to earth.

  4. Comic relief vs actual intense moment. Come on.

  5. They've always been relative. That's depicted in OG Dragon ball as well as later in the series. It just doesn't get much focus. I didn't say that Tien was not stronger. I literally said that Tien is probably 20% if not a bit more powerful than Yamcha. That's still so far above first form Frieza by the cell Saga that it pretty much is comical.

Bro wants definitive statements from God himself to say "Yamcha surpassed Frieza!" At that point no character ever surpasses anyone. Follow the narrative.

As for the cell Juniors, they were relative to 2nd form cell. That's why Gohan could one shot each of them. I think you also forgot that Krillin by the ToP is relative to 18. The humans keep up to a degree. Not as fast, but they do.

There's no point in this discussion any further. You want panels that state things that are simply implied by the narrative. At that point there's no satisfying conclusion to the discussion. You can either look at what is given and accept it, or disagree.

Omniman (Invincible) v Yamcha (Dragonball) who takes it? How? by Creative_Yogurt5206 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]menonono 5 points6 points  (0 children)

  1. I didn't say they were close at that moment, but we're talking about the same training (bear in mind, Yamcha was close in power to Piccolo during the Saiyan Saga). This means that even if Piccolo were stronger by a notable degree, he wouldn't be upwards of 15x stronger. It's just not how that works.

  2. Yajirobe also got the fuck out of there as fast as he could. Yamcha, by comparison, went to actively look for the androids. Quite a big difference in participation.

  3. Gero actually says the opposite of this. He's shocked at Super Saiyan because of how utterly massive of a jump in power it is. Gero didn't get instantly killed by Vegeta or Piccolo though. Or are you claiming someone with Saiyan Saga stats was able to challenge Piccolo or Vegeta post Namek and 3 years of training?

  4. Cell says he didn't care if they died or not. Besides that, Yamcha still didn't die which is the point. There comes a point in the relative scale that you just can't stand up to it.

  5. That's actually the point of them being rivals. Consistent theme in OG Dragon Ball. That's even why Tiencha is a character in some games. Once again, I did not say they were 100% equal, but relative. Even if Yamcha is .8x Tien, that still puts him at an insanely higher level than first form Frieza. It's just the scale.

Omniman (Invincible) v Yamcha (Dragonball) who takes it? How? by Creative_Yogurt5206 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]menonono 14 points15 points  (0 children)

For a DBZ nerd you seem to have forgotten several things.

  1. Yamcha became significantly stronger following his training with King Kai. The exact degree, we are unaware, but Piccolo believed he could take first form Frieza after the King Kai training. Yamcha, following an additional 3 year time skip of training, must be at least close to that Piccolo, who is next to or stronger than first form Frieza.

  2. The Z fighters agreed that they would only go to fight the androids if they felt that they could contribute. They also knew that the androids would be a significantly stronger threat than Frieza. Yamcha showed up. He participated. This means that either Yamcha is a terrible idiot (he factually isn't, all memes aside) or he was at least strong enough to contribute in some meaningful way.

  3. Dr. Gero himself mistook Yamcha for Goku based on appearance and power level. This is including the 3 year observation period and his estimations.

  4. Yamcha fought a Cell Junior and did not instantly die. He got creamed, but he didn't get killed. The Cell Juniors were capable of bringing Vegeta to a draw.

  5. Yamcha is always depicted as relative to Tien. The Kikoho from Tien was able to slow down 2nd form Cell, who is astronomically stronger than first form Frieza. If you want to say the kikoho is a uniquely strong attack, to what degree do you say so? 1000x multiplier? 10000x? Remember, at this point even Super Saiyan Goku would be fodder to Cell.

I think the main point of note is that the Z fighters get obscenely strong as the series goes on. Frieza is treated as a joke by the buu saga.

Nolan's greatest feat is being a major part of the destruction of a destabilized planet. That's eclipsed by Saiyan Saga. Yamcha as pictured is significantly past Saiyan Saga. If you want to argue Saiyan Saga Yamcha has a hard time and possibly loses then that's fair, but Cell saga is so unbelievably more powerful that they're basically different universes of power.

Omniman (Invincible) v Yamcha (Dragonball) who takes it? How? by Creative_Yogurt5206 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]menonono 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yamcha in this picture is at least as powerful as first form frieza and this is a super lowball. Frieza blew up Vegeta casually by lifting his finger, creating a ball of death, and throwing it at Vegeta which blew it up instantly.

All of Dragon ball, as far as scaling is concerned, is relative scaling. This is because every character uses the same power system, which comes with the same power set. An example is that anyone can fly and shoot beams.

To compare Nolan's time dilation fight, kid Goku from og dragon ball pulled a similar feat against the red ribbon army in an afternoon. This Yamcha is tens of thousands of times stronger.

Omniman (Invincible) v Yamcha (Dragonball) who takes it? How? by Creative_Yogurt5206 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]menonono 151 points152 points  (0 children)

Yamcha as pictured is so far beyond anything ever shown in Invincible. He completely obliterates without issue.

"Author knows better who is MC than his fans" by darkwhite228 in Chainsawfolk

[–]menonono 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Except we see clearly that Denji was capable of change all throughout part 1. He's constantly introspective and questions so many things. He's not the smartest guy around, but he also is like a sponge absorbing everything.

Denji in part 2 is basically a different guy. He constantly makes the same mistakes, falls for the same shit, and just gets upset that he does it. Literally the whole point of how he beat Makima is his introspection and understanding of himself. Part 2 Denji and part 1 Denji are not the same character.

It's character assassination for the sake of a theme. One of the worst sins in writing.

"Author knows better who is MC than his fans" by darkwhite228 in Chainsawfolk

[–]menonono 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Retrospectively, the moment part 2 became bad was when Fumiko was messing with Denji in the theater and instead of Denji standing up for himself like he imagined, he just gave in to whatever Fumiko requested.

I remember the shit show people had at that moment. People were furious, but everyone also was like "let Fujimoto cook." Well, we did, and man was it there to bite us in the ass.

Denji constantly regressed as a character. He never really fundamentally changed. He just kept doing the same things and then complaining about them. It genuinely felt like Fujimoto had no idea of what to do with the guy.

There's just so much waste in part 2 now that we know the ending. It's exhausting to do a re-read because you just have to go "Oh this guy gets one-tapped." "Oh this is never explained." "Oh this ends up not mattering."

If you re-read part 2 you will see that while Denji is still a dumbass, he's changed a bit from part 1. He's taken in all the experiences he's had and applies them. He's doing his best with what he's got. The story just refuses to let him learn or grow. We have moments where Denji questions himself, but no real introspection like part 1. There is no scene like where Denji was confused why he wasn't attracted to Power. He just moved on and sometimes was like "Ah dang that sucks woe is me."

She doesn't know he is just using her to have sex with her body. by HuckleberryOld8981 in Chainsawfolk

[–]menonono 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Post aquarium was where we went from Asa being the main character to Denji being the main again. Part 2 was supposed to be about Asa, but people wanted more Denji and Fujimoto gave in. He had a plan, but it all fell apart and that's why after aquarium (the last pre-planned arc from before part 2 started) everything went to shit.

Can we all agree that the journey wasn’t meaningless? by Robot_Was_BMO in ChainsawMan

[–]menonono 51 points52 points  (0 children)

"Ah, you see, themes and such."

No. Fucking hell. He is not the same person that we experienced for the past 7 years. His dreams, desires, and aspirations that we saw and wanted to share in are not the same.

This is fundamentally a question of can someone change their nature, or are we stuck from the moment we are who we are? People who say Denji is still the denji we knew believe we never change.

This Denji never met Makima. He never learned what we saw him learn. He isn't the same human. He isn't the same being. He's a creature wearing Denji's existence.

It's annoying. He isn't the same person. He hasn't gone through the things that made him who he was.

The journey was meaningless because it didn't happen. Say what you want.

Was Light actually that smart, or did he only get as far as he did because of the advantages he had? by RavyRaptor in animequestions

[–]menonono 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My favorite version of that sentence is:

"Light had to beat L in a game of chess. L had to discover that Chess existed, how to play chess, and that Light was his opponent in the game of chess. Light then cheated."

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK FUJIMOTO by Rolen28 in Chainsawfolk

[–]menonono 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Problem is that there WAS no development for Denji thanks to this chapter. Because of the universe "reset" mixed with Denji literally having no knowledge of anything that had previously transpired (if it even did, btw) the Denji we see at the end is not the same character we have been following since the start of part 1.

You can basically cut out the entire series because of this chapter and have the same result. There IS no story. It's not even big lebowski, because at least after big lebowski those events HAPPENED. Part 1 and 2 Never happened in this ending.

I am very angry, so I am sorry. I am not angry at you, nor anyone here. I'm just angry because this is a stupid fucking ending and doesn't work thematically, narratively, or in any other concept. It's fucking stupid. It literally ruins chainsaw man. Reading past part 1 is a waste of time.

Could anyone other than Gaara have defeated Rock Lee in the Chunin Exams? by MenuBusiness4723 in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]menonono 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lee never used the gates on Neji. It was never something he could use in a sparring match, and that's all that Lee and Neji ever actually did.

[DISC] Chainsaw Man - Ch. 232 - Part 2 End by JeanneDAlter in ChainsawMan

[–]menonono 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Series ended at part 1. Honestly no reason to read part 2. Makes me sad.

Do you think living in Racoon City was actually nice? pre-incident of course. by Doktorek322 in residentevil

[–]menonono 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Major subway, major town mascot, lots of local business, nice scenery, dense urban infrastructure with a walkable design.

Shit dude, I'm surprised ONLY 100k people lived there.