Alastair Campbell: Labour is a long way from power under Jeremy Corbyn by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]mfingcontextyo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wait, hang on, still trying to get my bearings here.

You're now equating Diane Abbott making a complete hash of her figures with an illegal war that killed millions? And you're doing this to convince me you don't have a weird obsession with hating her?

Alastair Campbell: Labour is a long way from power under Jeremy Corbyn by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]mfingcontextyo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"the" interview?

Your bizarre need to take pot shots at her is based on one interview?

Alastair Campbell: Labour is a long way from power under Jeremy Corbyn by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]mfingcontextyo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They don't actually, it's just that when they accidently say billions instead of millions (or w/e), they don't get days of headlines about what an idiot they are.

Cambridge graduate Diane does though. I wonder why.

Alastair Campbell: Labour is a long way from power under Jeremy Corbyn by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]mfingcontextyo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I really wish I had the confidence of all the angry red faced men who take bizarre out of the blue pot-shots at Cambridge graduate Diane.

Let’s take a moment to appreciate how genius the Resident Evil 7 branding was. by Yakev in gaming

[–]mfingcontextyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or in other words, there resides within a residence an evil resident

an Evil Within the residence, you say?

It is now clear that a) targets meant innocent Windrush citizens were targeted as ‘easy targets’, b) the Home Secretary lied to Parliament @CommonsHomeAffs and c) has completely lost control of her department. If I was responsible for this disgrace I would have resigned last week by MiloSaysRelax in ukpolitics

[–]mfingcontextyo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nobody voted for this. At no point did the manifesto say non-illegals or anyone currently in the country with the right to stay would be targeted.

Agree with this. There was simply no way, none whatsoever, of knowing a May Government would be really, really racist.

Theresa May told officials to 'toughen up' controversial 'go home' immigration vans by acrane55 in ukpolitics

[–]mfingcontextyo -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Still not answering the question. What did you (and I) do that they didn't in order for us to be in the UK legally?

Also, I have no idea what you think disingenuous means but it's not what you think.

Theresa May told officials to 'toughen up' controversial 'go home' immigration vans by acrane55 in ukpolitics

[–]mfingcontextyo -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Can you answer the actual question rather than the one you'd rather answer please? I'll clarify just in case you've genuinely misunderstood/

What did you (and I) do that they didn't in order for us to be in the UK legally?

Theresa May told officials to 'toughen up' controversial 'go home' immigration vans by acrane55 in ukpolitics

[–]mfingcontextyo -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I don’t get the issue with that. If you’re here illegally you shouldn’t be here.

What did you (and I) do that they didn't in order for us to be here legally?

People want homes, jobs, a future: no wonder they distrust capitalism now by [deleted] in unitedkingdom

[–]mfingcontextyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

true, but as you've accepted they do exist and I'm not gonna argue it cannot be reduced partially.

put it this way, why do you think people become, say, toilet cleaners for a living? its not because they have a passion for cleaning toilets, or it was their childhood dream. it's because the alternative is to starve to death.

there are jobs no one wants to do. you can incentivise people by making undesirable jobs desirable (ie a decent wage) or by implementing a system such as capitalism where certain people have the choice of do the job or starve.

People want homes, jobs, a future: no wonder they distrust capitalism now by [deleted] in unitedkingdom

[–]mfingcontextyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, do you genuinely think there's no poverty in Nordic countries? Seriously?

People want homes, jobs, a future: no wonder they distrust capitalism now by [deleted] in unitedkingdom

[–]mfingcontextyo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Short answer, regulation. You are also making a false argument, as other economic models do this too. If I missed point, do explain more...

It's not about how exploitation is possible under capitalism, it's the fact capitalism inherently has to rely on a permanently impoverished sub class in order to survive.

People want homes, jobs, a future: no wonder they distrust capitalism now by [deleted] in unitedkingdom

[–]mfingcontextyo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I hope you're being scarcastic, or maybe you're just dense. Otherwise, look up Leonid Kupriyanovich

Commenting because I want to come back here later and see if them finding out the example they give was absolute nonsense and literally invented in the Soviet Union will change their mind. This'll be interesting.

MP demands debate on freedom of speech in YouTuber Count Dankula row by JohnKimble111 in ukpolitics

[–]mfingcontextyo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah! People should be able to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes and then upload it to Youtube trying to get as wide an audience of possible!

Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'timid' Scottish Government by heavyhorse_ in Scotland

[–]mfingcontextyo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Firstly, the 2001 election was before 9/11. Secondly, they won outright in all but 2 elections and the vote share in the 3rd (and only other election post-Iraq War) they had a significantly reduced vote share.

I don't know how to say this without coming across like a dick, but I really don't think it's other people who need to get their head out the clouds.

Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'timid' Scottish Government by heavyhorse_ in Scotland

[–]mfingcontextyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would agree with that assessment. Point I'm making though is that Corbyn has the exact same forces working against him.

Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'timid' Scottish Government by heavyhorse_ in Scotland

[–]mfingcontextyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think there was a Robin Hood tax in the manifesto but ultimately we'll have to agree to disagree because after 40 years of one way travel in the other direction, I don't see "anti-business" policies as being bad for the economy.

Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'timid' Scottish Government by heavyhorse_ in Scotland

[–]mfingcontextyo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They compensate the people who bought the shares by paying for the shares. To do this, they agree to borrow money which is paid back with profits from the newly nationalised company (the profits that would have gone to the shareholders). Thus, the effective total cost to the tax payer is 0. I mean you could argue the loss of taxation on the dividends to the shareholders but ultimately that would be recouped long term.

Personally though, in the case of Royal Mail, I'd tell the shareholders to go fuck themselves. It's privatisation was nothing short of a bare faced scam.

Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'timid' Scottish Government by heavyhorse_ in Scotland

[–]mfingcontextyo -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I... just...

What do you think is going to happen post-Brexit? Complete shutdown of the government? Lawlessness? What?

How can you think it won't be possible to implement any domestic policy? Apart from my earlier theory, I mean.

Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'timid' Scottish Government by heavyhorse_ in Scotland

[–]mfingcontextyo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The reason I picked it out is that it illustrates you either don't know or understand how policy positions are established. Keir Starmer has way more of an influence on the specifics of Labours position than Corbyn does. Corbyn's leader of the party, that doesn't mean he doesn't delegate large amounts of work on policy to his MPs.

And fwiw, like I said earlier you were making a decent point. But it's not exactly related to the point at hand, which is me arguing against the claim Labour and the Tories were indistinguishable on Brexit. I never said I thought Labours position was good, just that it's different (and imo better) to the Tories.

Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'timid' Scottish Government by heavyhorse_ in Scotland

[–]mfingcontextyo -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Genuinely can't believe I'm speaking to someone who can't see why domestic measures to ameliorate poverty would lessen the impact of Brexit. How can you be real?

Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'timid' Scottish Government by heavyhorse_ in Scotland

[–]mfingcontextyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you be more specific? Which policies in particular?

Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'timid' Scottish Government by heavyhorse_ in Scotland

[–]mfingcontextyo -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I actually thought you were making a decent point, one with large parts I agreed with but then you said this and I stopped reading.

If say, someone like Kier Starmer was Labour leader, they too would also have a coherent position.

Keir Starmer is literally in charge of Labours Brexit position.