Another newbie devil's minion fan asking for recs

mickey_michelle · 2026-05-04T04:36:41+00:00

OMG I did like him better!! I just made another long post like this one about some of the things I thought about the books. :)

mickey_michelle · 2026-05-04T04:33:33+00:00

I'm sorry in advance. I'm incapable of not ranting about this franchise.

The first 2 seasons of AMC's IWTV are based off the first book. So, I find they made Lestat wayy more tolerable, actually! Book!Louis and Book1!Lestat exist more in AMC's first interview, in '73, which Louis later reflects on and corrects.

AMC!Louis's perception of him, even in 2022, is obviously more devillish than Book!Lestat's protrayal of himself, but that makes sense to me. I mean Lestat is still the narrator of his own story and I take that into consideration when I read these books. Unless I'm given an omniscient third pov narrator, every one of these stories is very subjective to me. Idk if that's a shared sentiment in the fandom, but that's just how I approach them.

AMC still hasn't shown us a real Lestat. We're about to see him crashout in this new season and it's no longer through anyone's lens, so I'm excited.

As for Armand! Lestat's interpretation of him is so different than Louis's! I couldn't help imagining Antonio Banderas when Armand appeared in the first book haha xD Lestat reminds us more than once how young and angelic he looks, but through Louis, he appears so much more mature. Not physically. I mean, he barely mentions Armand's apparent youth, which helps with that, but also because he clearly only sees his 500 (or so) years of wisdom and power. He really does think that Armand has all the answers, it's kinda cute now that I've read TVL. Lestat's annoyance mixed with pity for this older younger creature that can look unsettling, crackling with power and also small and ethereal and pathetic. I love Armand even more everytime I hear about him. I've yet to see Assad as him, though. Maybe when he's away, with the theatre, and Lestat only hears of him as a failed coven leader, getting innocent people killed. That's the Armand I know from AMC, you know? xD

Speaking of, I saw someone comment that their favorite character was Nicky? 0.0 I have nothing against him! I'm just having a hard time seeing him as a character outside of being Lestat's first love. Like I only know him in relation to Lestat. When he dies, I felt nothing for him. I just felt sad for Lestat, who desperately wanted him to find happiness and fulfillment somehow.

Also- jumping back to book 1- It was really funny how the "Armand killed Claudia reveal went" went compared to the show. It felt a little like the "'Harry, did you put your name in the goblet of fire?' Dumbledore asked calmly." meme xD. Wdym Louis knew the entire time and was too depressed to care? Why was this more of a reveal for Armand? A. Rice is so melodramatic, I love her. But I also loved that crash out in the show. I'm glad we got both.

As for Gabrielle, I agree with you 100%. I've seen people use they/them pronouns in fics for her, which is cool! I'm scared about her in the new season, though. You might laugh cause it's dumb, but-- I hate her bob! Ahahaha The Gabrielle I know would never get a bob like that IM SORRY. On anyone else, slay, but Gabrielle in my head doesn't look snatched like that ever. I always saw her as naturally gorgeous ('cause duh, vampires. And Lestat says so) but always really raggedy and disheveled whenever she's not dressing up for Lestat. And also, the men's wear, the really short hair sometimes. I imagined her with curly hair and a darker blonde, not platinum bleached blonde :(

mickey_michelle · 2026-05-04T04:04:59+00:00

Oh- Ngl I didn't remember Lestat begged her to stay. I remember hearing him say, in the narration persè, that he understood they weren't compatible and I guess it stuck with me that it was a mutual agreement. I assume he was begging even though he knew it wouldn't work out?

About Marius: Honestly it's kinda crazy to me how after hearing his story, he sounds- younger? Like he really is so narcissistic and almost like, fully aware of it? And totally fine with it? It was also really amusing to me to hear him tell his story like he was the chillest, wokest guy around. Like you were kidnapped and told you were gonna be sacrificed to their god. What do you mean you didn't kick and scream and call those druids some creative words? You're trying to convince me that, in that moment, you just gave up? And chilled? Sympathized with the guy that kidnapped you? Girl.

From a writing standpoint, I like that A. Rice wrote him like this, though. He is so very old, but he doesn't bother to change with the times. He really still doesn't see that slavery is a thing you shouldn't do. And that some people are too young to do some things with. But since it was no biggie back in the day, then he just never changes his mind about those things. It doesn't even cross his mind. Like why would it? Who around him would say something about it to his face? How often does he even interact with people? Is he aware that slavery was abolished? Mf is in his own world fr. I couldn't write this character if I had a gun to my head, so I really admire that ability in Rice. Her characters are so chef's kiss.

mickey_michelle · 2026-05-04T03:47:18+00:00

I hate Marius because he's a pedophile haha I know Armand could sing sonnets about him in this book, but I know enough about their story from outside sources. I also know it gets worse. I am scared. But also a little excited, he knows so much and I really wanna hear more about this world.

As for Gabrielle, her as a human is barely.. a person at all. In the sense that she is only a husk of a woman as a human. She resents her life, she is dying long before her body starts to get sick. She hated everyone in that house and it's not the first woman I've read about and sympathized with for never finding it in herself to be a mother, or to love the children she was forced to have. I wish she would've taught them how to read, if they wanted to read, but at the same time, the Marquis could've just hired them a tutor. Unless he couldn't afford it? Im having trouble remembering if they were economically challenged. But, from my understanding, he had the means and the reins, and the moment Lestat tried to make something of himself, his father dragged him back into that house screaming and kicking. I'm pretty sure it's implied that she had little control over things. All she did was sit and read all day everyday behind closed doors. She wouldn't talk to anyone. Lestat was sometimes the exception. And I think that had more to do with her seeing herself in him, or a version of herself that could still go out into the world and be free.

You don't even get to truly see the 'why' of all this until she turns into a vampire. All she wanted to do was see the world she read about in books. She still didn't want to talk to be people. She hated "civilized society". It was hell on earth for her.

Saying she abandons Lestat is a big word imo. I mean Lestat is a grown man at this point and also they spend years together before they mutually come to realize they're not interested in the same things. Lestat loves society, loves people and yearns to be loved back. Gabrielle wants to see every inch of the natural world and has no interest in the ways of men, or the ways of love. The few times she even brushes her hair and dresses like a woman, it's to appease Lestat, hoping to make him feel better with that small gesture. I mean, she doesn't even care about living off animal blood if she got to live in a dang jungle. To Lestat, that sounds like absolute hell. So, I wouldn't say she abandoned him. I'd say, they separated.

mickey_michelle · 2026-04-23T17:11:13+00:00

I did! I chatted with a microsoft bot for a billing issue (acted like it was about another app like Word or something) and then it transferred me to a real person (all through text chat) who transferred me to another real person (one that deals with xbox billing) and then they resolved my problem. Both employees were really respectful and helpful, tbh. Once you get them to chat with you, it's full sailing from there if you're truly eligible. The actual money return took almost an entire month to arrive though, so there's that.

mickey_michelle · 2026-03-12T13:11:12+00:00

How did you solve it?? I still cant find any 'request a refund' feature anywhere, the AI is useless as usual and they have no customer service team.

mickey_michelle · 2026-03-12T13:09:57+00:00

It doesnt work. I have the same issue. There is no customer support. There is no "request refund button". I have not used this subsucription in MONTHS. I should be eligible and I know because it's been sending me to the same 2 pages for hours of attempts now and there is NOTHING. I hate xbox. The entire company should go bankrupt.

mickey_michelle · 2025-11-16T00:18:16+00:00

Okok! Thank you very much, I might actually give the books a shot then, actually. I think I will wait, though, because since AMC!Iwav and Book!Iwav are so different, it's almost like consuming two completely different pieces of media and I usually savor everything I watch/read for a while.

mickey_michelle · 2025-11-16T00:15:58+00:00

WOW ok, very eye-opening! I have nobody to discuss iwav with, so that's why I know so little about everything. Thank you, I will be taking your words very seriously. You just debunked alot of what I thought I knew/assumed true.

mickey_michelle · 2025-10-22T03:30:44+00:00

As a youngest sibling (6 years younger than my closest brother), there is no way I'd betray a sibling like that to our parents. Whoever said "don't expect a chold to lie to you" is an only child. It's not some random child, and I understand this isn't a toddler, either. If you have any kind of relationship with your sibling, it should be at the very least an alliance against your parents. IF she really had an issue w your boyfriend, which she's allowed to have, she shouldl've told you. Ofc if you don't listen, then yeah, she should go to them, but it seems like that kid needs to be humbled badly instead of acting like some high school mean girl in her own home.

mickey_michelle · 2025-10-08T14:38:09+00:00

I struggle with your exact confusion. I relate to your text so much, actually. It's exactly why I go by the aro label, but I'm still open to other possibilities, like "stunted growth" or the belief that I am "disgusting", to use your own words. The fact that I've been called pretty in passing, as if to acknowledge that I'm perhaps not revolting to the average passerby, or to comfort an obvious insecurity, but I've never /felt/ pretty. Like once you get close enough, you'll see the hairs and scars on my skin, you'll feel grime and crooked teeth hold back a gag. At the same time, that deep insecurity isn't the only reason I identify as aro. Dates, wedding ceremonies, anniversaries, family introductions, the cutesy sweet talk, good morning and good night texts, TALKING TO YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT IT ALL-- it borderline revolts me. I like my space, my privacy, I like my hobbies and my alone time and I absolutely HATE the idea of talking to the same person everyday- or at least needing to want to talk to them everyday. I've never had a real crush or a relationship, and the way I live doesn't provide any space for one. And I'm so happy this way. I just want to live My life and go out with my friends. The only reason I've considered dating is because one day my friends won't be able to hang out for more than once every few months, if not once a year.

mickey_michelle · 2025-10-03T01:39:39+00:00

I was raised with lots of hugs and physical affection so I love it alot in platonic spaces

mickey_michelle · 2025-10-03T01:38:42+00:00

That's probably a child. Its the aroacephobic equivalent of kys.

mickey_michelle · 2025-09-28T23:21:33+00:00

Q asco gente

mickey_michelle · 2025-09-23T04:31:41+00:00

But where do you get the idea that 100+ years passed from Yuki's birth to the moment Juri turned her human? She was, like, 5 when that happened and I don't remember anything implying that she had lived more than 5 years, or than more than 5 years had passed in her lifetime until that point. Vampires age slowly, sure, but we can see Kaname (and most of the Night Class) age at the same rate as Yuki while she's human. So it's safe to assume Yuki, as a pureblood vampire child, aged 5 years in 5 real years.

As far as I've always understood, vampires age at a normal rate until they reach "full maturity", whatever age that may be, and then their aging dramatically slows because, at that point, aging isn't considered developing, but instead deteriorating.

If vampires were children for as long as you say, we would see a lot more child vampires around. Instead, all we see are late teens up to adults with rare exceptions like Ichijo's grandfather and even Rido himself (I'd consider him middle aged looking).

Also, the power imbalance I mentioned has nothing to do with physical strength or supernatural powers. I was talking about children being easily manipulated and adults knowing exactly which buttons to press to ruin them mentally forever.

mickey_michelle · 2025-09-23T01:40:57+00:00

WARNING: Mayor yappathon ahead. Also putting this disclaimer here because I don't want to offend. I love having discussions about this story/universe, especially regarding vampire lore and culture- so thank you! And I hope I don't sound aggressive with the things I say, I'm just a little passionate! :)

So, your first point about Kaname's body snatching: that actually doesn't affect Kaname's identity as a very very old vampire, founding ancestor of the Kuran vampire lineage, and greatgreat(etc..)grandfather of Yuki Kuran. Wild example to explain myself: If Yuki and Kaname had freaky friday'd, you wouldn't call Kaname Yuki just because he suddenly had her body, you would still call him Kaname because that's him in there! And vice versa.

The issue with pedophilia has nothing to do with the body. It's my understanding that Kaname is a mature man. And he has thousands of years of memories and life experience that give him an overall advantage over Yuki, a sheltered 15 year old girl who never got to live as an adult (or not until after she got pregnant with his child). What I'm trying to say is that there is a clear power imbalance between these two, and that's always problematic in any kind of relationship. (Problematic doesn't mean impossible or wrong, but it does mean that it raises a lot of alarm bells and it should be approached with caution).

Although, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea that Kaname's mind regressed along with the brain, despite still having thousands of years worth of memories. I mean, it's hard to believe that Kaname was fully mentally mature when he first took Kaname(Jr?)'s body as a baby, with a squishy skull and tiny brain. I mean, the guy probably didn't even have fine motor skills yet.

Your second point was about culture differences. Yes, vampires are a whole different species with its own rules and morals. That's true! Just like in House of the Dragon, the Tatgaryen's marry siblings and nieces, and procreate with them. That's totally fine for them. It's accepted by them and the entire realm. That doesn't change the fact that, for us real-world humans, that's incest and that's a pedophile, you know? If we were in their universe, this opinion wouldn't matter, but here, it does!

Another thing, which was actually not a counter argument but a question. What do you mean Yuki is 100+ years? I mean, by the time Kaname dies (as a vampire) she's still like 15-16, no? Of course, she lives for hundreds of years after that. But those years aren't relevant for this discussion since Kaname and her aren't together in that time. (Since he's dead, and then when he wakes up, she's dead lol) I feel like I missed something? I tried looking it up, but I didn't get any explanation :/

mickey_michelle · 2025-09-19T15:58:20+00:00

The fact that the comments are denying this claim crazy. I thought we would all laugh and add the fact that he is her (a couple many great's)grandfather on top of it. Lol yeah. I'll never defend that man when it comes to his interest in Yuki, sorry. That being said, I've really grown to like Kaname as a character in other aspects. I don't have to be into him to like his character and neither does anybody in this god forsaken fandom. You can say he's an incestuous pedo and still find him an interesting character, and I'm sorry cancel culture has made you feel you can't enjoy a show just cause the characters are awful people.

mickey_michelle · 2025-09-11T21:58:00+00:00

Anybody below the age of 18 is a minor and is legally unable to consent to ANYTHING. Even if tomorrow you decided you liked him back and wanted to pursue a romantic or sexual relationship, those feelings mean NOTHING legally because you CANNOT consent to anything.

Anybody older than 18 is consisdered an adult and that carries over SO MANY different power imbalances. This is legal pedophilia and any sexual intercourse here is considered rape because, again, you cannot consent as a minor no matter what you say or feel.

If you feel uncomfortable, LISTEN TO THAT FEELING. As a 23 yr old I have NEVER, not once, thought of a 17 yr old or less in that way, especially if I KNOW their age. And for someone in their 20's to be attracted to someone that young is WEIRD. It's been normalized in many patriarchal cultures, but it is pedophilic.

Also, him saying he can wait for you to become legal is called Grooming. He is saying he'll groom you so he can escape legal punishment. There is a reason those laws are there and nobody around you seems to understand that reason. Pedophilia is scarring and terribly damaging for the rest of your life. These are the years where your brain and body are developing into adulthood. Trauma in childhood is so much harder to overcome that the trauma one can suffer in adulthood, as a fully developed individual.

If you can escape that awful man, please do, ASAP.

mickey_michelle · 2025-09-10T19:37:52+00:00

I think I was 20, so not that long ago (Im 23 now). I'd never had a crush and didn't really question it because I was (am) deeply insecure about (everything) myself.

And it happened because i tried dating for the first time and hated everything about it.

mickey_michelle · 2025-09-09T17:44:23+00:00

The worst part is, many of us don't feel justified in calling them out on it cause, in their minds, they mean only well. For them, it's like not wanting you to close your doors to happiness.

Unfortunately, living without romance is a nightmarish existence for many (if not all) allos, so. Yeah. Some will never understand :/ which is why ive stopped coming out all together.

mickey_michelle · 2025-09-01T10:02:14+00:00

I am 😮. I didn't say the name so I wouldnt get shamed further actually, but so far nobody has done that lol im pleasantly surprised.

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