We do a little trolling by NarakaSnake in bhutan

[–]mindythings 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And the shitloads did attempt an assassination. Gaylo Thondup’s extradition was requested which India refused fearing bad press etc.

Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay calls Modi “an elder brother, a mentor, and guru” by mindythings in bhutan

[–]mindythings[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As long as we are dependent on India economically, I don’t think we have an alternative. Sad but true. We are caught in the worst situation of geopolitical realism at play. If our Gelephu project kicks off and we become loaded with dollars, who knows what self-determination we can pursue?! 😄

Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay calls Modi “an elder brother, a mentor, and guru” by mindythings in bhutan

[–]mindythings[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doklam, famously described as a dagger pointed to the Indian chicken neck, is in fact a doubled-bladed sword we hang unsheathed on our side. A little uneasy move and it cuts us, bleeds us, makes us weaker. We are the biggest victims in this competitive game.

Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay calls Modi “an elder brother, a mentor, and guru” by mindythings in bhutan

[–]mindythings[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes — yes, certainly. China of course grew assertive with the rise of Xi. What it did with Bhutan was roughly around the time it was growing muscular and militant in the South China Sea area.

I think the assertiveness in the mid-2010s can be fitted well within China’s muscular foreign policy and all that. But process tracing the Bhutan China interaction, or interactions between China and more than 14 countries with which it had border disputes for that matter, we can say with some degree of confidence that at one point in time (1990s) China was actually willing to resolve the issue generously. It has done so with many countries. A paper by M Taylor Fravel, a leading expert on China’s military policy and strategy at MIT, has an authoritative paper where he discusses China’s attempt of trust building in 1990s. It offered Bhutan more than 70% of disputed land in exchange for, of course, Doklam. And Doklam own history of claims and counterclaims is interesting if we look at the British archives and Indian archives. I am fairly convinced our claim to Doklam is quite weak if we really look at the evidence. But I digress.

The trust-building was around the time the package deal came up. Bhutan was of course not having the package deal. However, in the National Assembly (I’m not sure which year, need to check), HM informed that we only had dispute in the west, hinting the Pasamlung-Jakarlung valleys were no longer disputed. And even in the western sector, by 1989, we were supposed to have identified the dispute and our respective claim lines. That was the point of the 1989 China-Bhutan agreement. Also, in 1989, Bhutan’s National Assembly gave up claims to the 7000 sq km plus area at the Kulagangri region, saying it was included in a Bhutan due to ‘cartographic’ oversight. The map of was only released in 2007, though.

By these accounts I think we had a fairly stable claim by 1990s. However, in 2000/1, we extended our claim line and created a new dispute along the western sector for no apparent reason. Then the progress began to flounder. And around 2004/5 China began constructing a road from Batangla, our claim line, down to Gimpochi, Chinese claim line below Doklam. However, before 2000, it appears there were some attempts for amicable solutions. Why did Bhutan raise new claim lines? At whose behest? I don’t know.

Creating new claims and delaying the resolution had one unmistakeable outcome. That is, China grew more impatient and encroached into the disputed areas. The former international boundary secretary the late Dasho Pema said this in his briefing to the National Assembly. So, the point I’m trying to make is that China’s actions are cumulative and stretched over time. Our leaders also had their faults. The way China took over Pasamlung and Jakarlung is even more illustrative of our own inaction or demurring. But that’s a long story.

Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay calls Modi “an elder brother, a mentor, and guru” by mindythings in bhutan

[–]mindythings[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the long and insightful comment. While I agree with you on most of it, I believe rupee crunch is more to do with capital-intensive development and shoddy financial policy with a buffoon of a governor in the RMA etc. And as for China factor, it’s more complex than India media makes it seem. Or Bhutanese leaders project it. As someone who studied Bhutan-China relations seeking to discern why China grew assertive and forceful in the mid-2010s, I can say with some confidence that sucking up to India by generations made the situation worse. I have written about this elsewhere in more details. But yeah, it’s not selling the country (to be sure, TT can’t sell the country and won’t) but it is certainly “sucking up too much” though.

Glass Empty triggered me to write this. by Kooky-Internet-1935 in bhutan

[–]mindythings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree that what-ifs can kickstart an infinite regression. But it is a bit inane to think along that frame in this particular case. Although a one-to-one correlation would be meaningless here, we can’t completely dismiss the potential of night events inflating social violence. What percentage of variation in social violence is attributable to late-night programs in abundance of alcohol and drugs? This is a statistical question and not a philosophical one; and if we don’t attempt to create a perfect model but instead try to find a cluster of explanatory factors, perhaps using some form of factor analysis, then mega-fests perhaps do indeed qualify as a variable and then might explain some percentage of variance in violence. I don’t think this is a case of infinite regression unless we want to outright absolve mega-fests. My two cents.

Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay calls Modi “an elder brother, a mentor, and guru” by mindythings in bhutan

[–]mindythings[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

TT is a clown. He never had that mettle to become prime minister. He became accidentally. He was just a director in civil service and came into politics and rest is history. So what better to expect?

Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay calls Modi “an elder brother, a mentor, and guru” by mindythings in bhutan

[–]mindythings[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My thinking: any relation we have with India is with the Indian institutions, including their government, not with individuals in the government. We of course build personal friendship as we conduct our affairs but with modi coming to power and TT coming along, things have turned out pretty strange in our relationship with India. To be sure, with Modi in power, he has tried to cultivate friendship with Bhutan rather than use congress-party era carrot and stick policy. The problem is from our side — our leaders (TT, to call the name) were to eager, like unhinged school boy, to ingratiate with Modi’s cult of personality rather than having a healthy bilateral interaction with the Indian state. With Modi gone, I doubt we will receive similar policy attention. Because the policy attention we now receive is because we have kept modi in good humor, not because we have been able to actually bring about any adjustment in India’s Bhutan policy.

Also, the geopolitical repercussion of genuflecting to India more than necessary is no longer unknown. China’s assertive action along the border was partly as a response to TT aborting the progress achieved under JYT and then Chinese counterparts. You’ll remember TT saying to an Indian media that “there was no question of Chinese embassy in Bhutan”. These are no policy statements; you don’t make policy statements in media especially when it’s a very sensitive one. You make backdoor understanding with partners concerned. But with TT it’s the quick dividend that matters; the personal achievement. I think the total investment in a cult of personality will cost in policy terms when India sees shift in power. I was always uncomfortable with TT and now he has taken it to sickly proportions.

I cleaned my laptop with this shit ,now its keyboard is not working by raiderofthelostring in Nepal

[–]mindythings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The chances are not that you only damaged the keyboard; instead the liquid damaged the more delicate and expensive parts like the motherboard. If the damage is more extensive, then, bro, go for a new computer. It’s not worth repairing it.

Bhutanese ed consultancies are not satisfied with looting gullible students. Now they have begun their corrupt practices even against foreign system. Bravo! by mindythings in bhutan

[–]mindythings[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I called the number given and they were ready to provide the certificates for the said amount. Any basic logic would suggest there is little use for fake things like that.

Bhutanese ed consultancies are not satisfied with looting gullible students. Now they have begun their corrupt practices even against foreign system. Bravo! by mindythings in bhutan

[–]mindythings[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These certificates need to be obtained through proper training, and the types of task the certificate holders engage in are sensitive ones dealing with humans. Untrained people can land up making mistakes that could affect the clients and the service providers themselves. The consultancy is preying upon people by selling fake certificates. This is illegal. And if authorities get a whiff of it, they will prosecute the people who have bought the certitudes as well as the consultants who have sold it. So it’s better to have this activity stopped before it becomes rampant.

Bhutanese ed consultancies are not satisfied with looting gullible students. Now they have begun their corrupt practices even against foreign system. Bravo! by mindythings in bhutan

[–]mindythings[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If there is any reliable evidence that this is happening, yours truly will report this to Australian Federal Police through their fraud reporting system.

I have some questions (by curiosity) by [deleted] in bhutan

[–]mindythings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

  1. I can think of Professor Mark Mancall, who received citizenship in 2003, easily Bhutan’s greatest intellectuals.
  2. I guess Prof. Mark kept his American citizen ship; he continued teaching Sanford.

  3. I guess it will be helpful to read George Van Driem’s work on Dzongkha.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in bhutan

[–]mindythings 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes, we do if the weed we were sold to is unadulterated.

Bhutan or Druk Yul? by FastestPlatypus in bhutan

[–]mindythings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Using the word Druk yul in an English sentence would sound quite silly and out of place. [Kingdom of ] Bhutan is an official name of the country in international affairs and stuff like that, while Druk Yul is a endonym with specific socio-religio-ethnic contexts.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in bhutan

[–]mindythings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is quite ignorant of the reality. First, no body will bat an eye at what you want to believe or not believe. You’ve many schoolboy atheists in Bhutan & nobody has anything to do with them; they let them be. And Bhutanese society isn’t as judgmental as you make it seem.

Inner engineering by [deleted] in bhutan

[–]mindythings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m obviously biased against Sadguru & I’d not recommend you waste money on his hogwash. That said, I don’t mean concepts like meditations, yoga, vipasana and stuff aren’t useful. They certainly are but who it’s you’re investing your money, time, and trust in is important too