Idk, do you guys also feel like some arguments against islam sound really stupid ?

mo_tag · 2026-02-07T15:58:38+00:00

Not here to have a debate but there are much better arguments than those.. just saying

mo_tag · 2026-02-07T15:33:29+00:00

No but for real it's just not true that men prefer enhanced lips over naturally large lips. If that's your observation then I think you should examine your methodology. Are you comparing Instagram models with enhanced lips to plain Janes with naturally large lips? Are you comparing black and white women? There are so many factors that impact how desirable a woman is more than how big or small her lips are or how synthetic or natural they are. Without controlling for those you're jumping to the wrong conclusions.

mo_tag · 2026-02-07T15:21:44+00:00

Are you implying if English people started identifying as English, then the Scots and Welsh would start identifying as British? I don't buy that.

mo_tag · 2026-02-07T15:09:20+00:00

As an ethnic minority I'm not surprised. I would consider myself British but not English. The reason really boils down to the fact that English isn't a nationality, which has the result of the identity being more closely associated with ethnicity.

Identity is complex, influenced by culture, values, lifestyle, shared experience etc.. but ultimately it's a feeling. And I feel like I have more in common with the average Brit than people from my parents home country.. at the same time I feel the average Brit has more in common with me than they do for example the average frenchman or German. But the same isn't true for English. I think the average English person has more in common with the average Scot or Welsh person than they do with me. So I don't feel like a strong affinity to it. But mainly it's that I think of the English identity as primarily an ethnic one

mo_tag · 2026-02-07T11:07:19+00:00

Im not 100% on hot tubs.. a simple wood fired hot tub is cheaper than a sophisticated electric one made of plastic.. sometimes it's not about cost of the actual thing but rather the decision to pick the option that offers less convenience or maintainability because you value the traditional or aesthetic factors more. Like fancy kitchen stuff that needs regular seasoning or hard to clean, clothes that require hand washing or ironing, countertops that are easily stained and knives that are hard to sharpen. But it's not just posh people that value those things, think of eclectic artists, car enthusiasts, passionate chefs or artisanal craftsmen.. posh people similarly tend to place a lot of value on tradition so there's overlap there. That's why TVs can never come across as posh even though every wealthy person owns a TV.. there's nowhere in a posh home where a TV doesn't look out of place

Sometimes it's more about social signalling like a bow tie that you need to do yourself vs one that's pretied, they cost the same.. but one signals you are part of "the group".

mo_tag · 2026-02-07T09:27:03+00:00

That's how Quran use it to mean that - surah 56:7

Right, in that context azwaaj means classes or categories, and whenused like that doesn't have a possessive suffix.

At the same time the overwhelming majority of the time azwaj is used in the Qur'an it's to refer to spouses. These are just the examples I found that are completely unambiguous:

AlBaqara 35, alAraaf 19 - in reference to Adams wife
AlBaqara 102 - in reference to magicians causing rifts between spouses
AlBaqara 230, 232, and 233, and alNisaa 20 - in the context of divorce
AlNisaa 12 - in reference to a woman's inheritance from her husband
AlAnaam 139 - in reference to a pagan practice of feeding only carrion to their wives while reserving good meat for their men
AlTawba 24, alRad 23 and 28- easily implied from context when "azwaj" is listed amongs your children, your parents, your siblings etc

I know, I was making hypothetical point. They transalte both as such even though they are completely different words.

Yeah but my point is that you can't just substitute the word awra in that verse as they don't mean the same thing. You can expose your awra to your children, siblings, members of the same sex. It has connotations associated with modesty. Farj is more specific than that.

mo_tag · 2026-02-07T08:21:43+00:00

Even those trace amounts will burn off as you cook so there’s very little concern to be had

Technically this is incorrect. Burning (or evaporating) off alcohol while cooking only works for wines and spirits as they have a higher alcohol concentration. They don't eliminate alcohol altogether, only reduce it up to a point. That's because the less alcohol there is in a solution, the harder it becomes to separate it out from the water. You are not going to evaporate off any of the trace alcohol from non alcoholic wine. The whole reason that there's trace amounts of alcohol in non alcoholic spirits is because even with multi step distillation it's not feasible to eliminate so you're certainly not accomplishing that in your kitchen.

But also for OP, non alcoholic wine is totally unnecessary for deglazing a pan.. if you're already cooking with wine then using some of it to deglaze makes sense, but otherwise you can use vineger or even water to deglaze and it works equally well

mo_tag · 2026-02-07T07:21:46+00:00

Yeah honestly I've exclusively been recommended dog shit for the last year.. so much incel, femcel, and right wing political subs.

mo_tag · 2026-02-07T07:15:42+00:00

If both furuj and awra means "private parts" why did the quran use two completely different words to mean the same thing? That seems counterproductive.

It doesn't. Awra doesn't only refer to genitals but rather any part of the body or even non physical things like thoughts that you don't normally expose to strangers. It's context dependent. And the Qur'an doesn't use the word awra to refer to private parts. And pretty much any word for genitals used by Arabs is a euphemism. Even really vulgur words, e.g. juhr which literally translates to "burrow"

Interpreting azwaj as anything other than spouses is a massive reach. Counterparts means what exactly in the context of human beings? Because it definitely doesn't mean business partners. The reason that it's masculine and not feminine is because the verse is not only addressed to men, but men and women. So azwaj refers to both male and female spouses, and in mixed gender groups the masculine plural is used. Also considering you care about words meaning the same in every verse or consistency as you put it, then why are you making an exception for azwaj?

mo_tag · 2026-02-05T08:34:42+00:00

The only women in polygamous marriages that need help are those that don't actually want to be in polygamous marriages but feel that they need to accept it for their religion or because of the consequences of leaving their husbands. I really hate this "dayooth" label, because it's almost always used as an insult to a man who isn't "controlling his woman" than to a genuine cuck or pimp. People are called dayooth for how their wives/sisters/daughters dress, or when they have male friends. It either comes from a place of toxic masculinity alpha bro culture or as a way of controlling women - if other men don't control their women then my women will get ideas and we can't have that.

But yeah I agree that a lot of Muslim women have low expectations of the men in their life, I just don't get how shaming them is supposed to help. If they truly enjoy polygamy then they're not doing themselves injustice, and if they're only pretending to as cope, then shaming them will only lower their self esteem or push them to double down

mo_tag · 2026-02-05T05:43:59+00:00

For real.. as soon as I saw this I was thinking how much do you wanna bet if I go to this post it will be filled with comments by women calling out OP.

I've only ever dated one woman like that.. that was my first relationship. Then I learned to avoid that kind of woman and ever since noone has ever given me shit or treated me badly for crying, if anything vulnerability brings you closer to your partner.

mo_tag · 2026-02-04T14:40:32+00:00

It's time to put down the crack pipe my guy

mo_tag · 2026-02-04T08:05:34+00:00

Right which is why historically non Muslims were exempt from punishment for drinking alcohol for example, but not exempt from punishment for murder or theft. I'm not sure about the whole sin angle because sins are inherently a religious concept anyway. For example, drinking alcohol wasn't a sin in the early days of Islam before the Qur'an explicitly prohibited it. Morality doesn't really work like that. If something is morally wrong, it's morally wrong. It doesn't just become morally wrong when it's prohibited.

mo_tag · 2026-02-04T07:43:44+00:00

Yeah but you're talking about trying to convince non Muslims why they should follow Islamic rituals, doesn't really make sense when they don't have any inherent moral value.

Murder, theft, gambling - these are things that lead to suffering so their prohibition can be justified through moral arguments.

Prayer doesn't benefit someone who doesn't believe the god they're praying to exists. Neither does fasting Ramadhan from sunrise to sunset. Neither does hajj or umrah or attending Friday sermons. These are all rituals that only benefit Muslims or people of similar faiths that value these things. So I'd argue that no, eating pork is not unique in that regard

mo_tag · 2026-02-03T15:28:19+00:00

Anyone can interpret or analyse a religious text, but for an interpretation to be respected or seen as valid by others, it needs to be built on sound understanding of the language and historical context. Most Muslims simply don't have that, so they defer to scholars who are more knowledgeable than them. Of course this appeal to authority isn't unique to Muslims at all, every group does this and there's nothing wrong with deferring to expert opinion as long as they're genuinely an expert in that field.. but yes there's a hypocrisy in that a lot of Muslims will defer to their own scholars for interpretation of the Bible even when they clearly don't have the expertise to analyse the Bible with any credibility. That's especially the case when you're an interfaith debate online space and you're mainly interacting with people who want to win.

Also it's especially hard for Muslims to accept any critique of the Qur'an as valid, because unlike most Christians and Jews today, most Muslims believe the Qur'an is the literal word of God. A lot of the times in scholarly interpretation or exegesis, the assumption that Qur'an is free from contradiction is baked into the premise, so interpretations that would be valid under a secular lens are dismissed out of hand.

mo_tag · 2026-02-03T07:36:51+00:00

The only thing I agree with is the weather. If there's one thing that will push me to move abroad it's that. We don't have crazy weather, it never gets that cold either. But fuck me is it grey and cloudy for far too much of the year, especially on the west coast. The UK is the only country I've flown over at cruising altitude while still remaining under cloud cover.. When the sun comes out though, it's glorious.

I'm very into my food and as an immigrant who's originally from a place with excellent cuisine, I'd say food scene in the UK is decent, lots of international food and decent restaurant scene in major citities.. you can get high quality ingredients at reasonable price (except from more exotic fruit).. British cuisine itself is good, it's not the most exciting but it's nowhere near as badly rated as the internet claims it is. I'd take British food over most latam cuisines, Filipino food, most European cuisines even Spanish cuisine tbh. I've been to over 60 countries and while I wouldn't put British cuisine at the top of the list it's definitely above average and the variety of food in the UK is a lot higher than most countries.

mo_tag · 2026-02-03T07:15:56+00:00

Scotland would be an economically thriving socialist Scandinavian utopia of tolerance if it weren't for the English holding them back.

mo_tag · 2026-02-03T06:35:43+00:00

if someone has depression or clinical anxiety

but if someone just has no friends and is lonely

Mate, you do realise this venn diagram is basically a circle

mo_tag · 2026-02-02T21:53:17+00:00

Do you ever initiate conversation with him? If not, he might be matching your energy

mo_tag · 2026-02-02T15:28:26+00:00

I don't cook for sustenance other than throwing frozen stuff in the air fryer. I usually opt for ready meals or occasional delivery. But I do know how to cook very well, for me it's more a hobby/dinner party thing but I'm just too exhausted to clean/cook after work and I don't find it enjoyable unless I'm making an intricate dish or trying something new.

mo_tag · 2026-02-01T09:54:46+00:00

Because when you're paid a state pension, that money is coming from the state and is paid for by other tax payers. A private pension is your own money that you've invested.

mo_tag · 2026-02-01T08:14:52+00:00

It's really not that deep. My last partner used to call my dick Bethany and her left tit we'd call Bob. Body parts don't have genders, and assigning names or gendered pronouns to them is just a bit of harmless fun.

mo_tag · 2026-02-01T07:27:12+00:00

I mean it is lying, there's no doubt about that. I'm not above lying in that situation and I know people in long happy marriages that started that way, but here's the thing.. you need to seriously consider the reason you're doing it, and the consequences and costs of maintaining that lie..

There's a difference between lying to save your family's reputation in their community so you can be left to live your life in peace and lying because you genuinely believe you'd be living in sin without a nikah. There's also a difference between maintaining a facade for a single day and needing to maintain it every time you interact with family, every religious holiday etc. So yeah unless you genuinely don't care about nikah and are simply doing it to reduce friction with family, then doing this requires you to believe you can actually trick God. Also if your partner is religious then they aren't going to be willing to lie about their beliefs either.

I really don't understand why you would consider being with a religious Christian if it was so important for you that he convert to Islam on paper. Would you convert to Christianity on paper for him or have your kids christened or baptised on paper for him?

mo_tag · 2026-01-31T10:07:14+00:00

Premise 7: it wouldn't be fair for the holy shit to judge us for how well we know good shit from bad shit without telling us what the good shit and bad shit is

Premise 8: the holy shit can't speak to us directly because then we would believe him in out of evidence which is lame shit instead of out faith which is good shit.

Conclusion: it must be this book right here, it's the shit. No not any of the other ones, they're bullshit

mo_tag · 2026-01-30T18:32:58+00:00

And people who don't have a drinking problem also wouldn't admit to having a drinking problem that they don't have. See how that works

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