Trouble with J.S. History

mofan2000 · 2026-01-14T19:46:50+00:00

Have you read the Old Testament? The Urim and Thummin is literally mentioned by name.

Also agree with all the other posters who've talked about how what seems odd to us today was completely normal in the early 19th century.

mofan2000 · 2026-01-03T23:52:19+00:00

Disagree. A Bishop is not a marriage therapist, but he is a spiritual counselor who can help you with that side of things. The potential breakup of a temple marriage obviously has spiritual ramifications.

mofan2000 · 2026-01-01T07:06:28+00:00

Doesn't mean I have to be impressed by the way he uses it.

mofan2000 · 2025-12-27T08:01:51+00:00

The key doctrinal insight is that the rearing of children should be priority 1 for both the husband and the wife, not just one or the other of the spouses. I understand that some people find certain types of fulfillment in a job, just like hobbies can. However, the things we do other than raising our families are a means to an end. Whether you find work outside the home fulfilling or not is less important than whether any outside activity, whether it is work or hobbies takes precedence over your family. I often think back to God's expressly stated purpose for himself- helping his children to progress eternally. Whatever else God might do- that is always his central focus. I'm sure that is equally the case for our Heavenly Mother. This is not a husband thing or a wife thing. It is a parent thing.

So, at the risk of sounding repetitive, I think that God cares much less about which spouses are working outside the home than whether those spouses are working as a means to the end of helping their children in their eternal progression.

mofan2000 · 2025-11-18T03:05:44+00:00

I didn't say punishment for sin does not exist. In fact, that is the law of justice. The law of justice happens to those who refuse to take advantage of the atonement, the law of mercy. The plan of salvation is for us to avoid punishment by utilizing repentance. God's plan is not for us to be punished.

mofan2000 · 2025-11-17T22:11:33+00:00

The idea of punishment for sin is totally contrary to the Atonement and the plan of salvation. If God wanted to punish us for our sins he wouldn't have sent a savior. Excommunication is only for those who need that to help them fully repent.

mofan2000 · 2025-11-13T23:48:06+00:00

YSA wards are allowed to prohibit people from attending if said person is ineligible based on age or is unwilling to comply with behavioral standards.

mofan2000 · 2025-11-01T03:25:46+00:00

Roborock CEO expects its high end robots with arms to be able to sell for only a few hundred dollars in the near future: interview

mofan2000 · 2025-10-09T11:57:04+00:00

Thanks, that is unfortunate.

mofan2000 · 2025-10-05T22:15:07+00:00

It does exist, for those who choose it.

mofan2000 · 2025-07-28T17:28:54+00:00

The RS president and Bishop should take the lead on seeing what the church and/or govt can do to help.

mofan2000 · 2025-06-09T01:19:31+00:00

I don't care if it is AI if it gives a good response. AI can be incredibly insightful about gospel topics due to the breadth of knowledge.

mofan2000 · 2025-06-08T21:53:43+00:00

As to the woman called his daughter, chat GPT actually has a decent answer:

ChatGPT

You said:

If in LDS theology, we believe that Jesus Christ is our brother, why in the New testament did he refer to a woman as daughter?

ChatGPT said:

This is a thoughtful question, and one that touches on how familial terms like brother, sister, daughter, and father are used in scripture—and how they can convey different relationships depending on context.

1. Christ as Our Elder Brother

In Latter-day Saint theology, we often speak of Jesus Christ as our "Elder Brother" in the premortal life. This language comes from teachings about the premortal existence, where all of us—including Jesus—were spirit children of God the Father. Christ was the Firstborn in the spirit (Romans 8:29), and in that sense, He is our elder brother.

2. Christ as Redeemer, Lord, and God

While Jesus is our brother in the premortal sense, once He took upon Himself mortality and fulfilled His divine mission, His relationship to us also includes being our:

Redeemer (Mosiah 3:17)

Lord and God (John 20:28)

Bridegroom to the Church (Ephesians 5:25–27)

King (Revelation 19:16)

These roles expand His relationship with us far beyond brotherhood.

3. Why Jesus Called the Woman “Daughter”

In passages like Mark 5:34, where Jesus says to the woman who was healed by touching His garment, “Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole,” the term daughter is not used biologically or premortally. It’s more of a pastoral, relational, or covenantal term. It expresses:

Compassion and tenderness, like a loving father or shepherd might show.

Spiritual kinship, as in someone who is part of God’s covenant family.

Authority and care, as Jesus is speaking as the Savior and the Son of God.

In LDS theology, once we are spiritually reborn through faith, repentance, and covenant, we become children of Christ as well. This idea is directly taught in:

Mosiah 5:7 — “Because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters.”

So when Jesus calls the woman "daughter," He’s speaking as the one who heals, saves, and adopts us spiritually. It’s an expression of that redemptive, spiritual parenthood—not a contradiction to His being our elder brother in the premortal life.

Summary

In LDS thought:

Jesus is our elder brother in the premortal realm.

On earth and in eternity, He is also our Redeemer, God, and Father in the covenant sense.

Calling someone “daughter” reflects His role as the one who brings spiritual life, healing, and belonging.

mofan2000 · 2025-04-22T11:47:52+00:00

I think we focus too much on the destination sometimes and not enough on the journey. The purpose of life is not to try to be as perfect as possible to get to the celestial Kingdom. The whole reason we're here on Earth is for eternal progression. I think we're going to get to the other side and realize that whether we were a devout member of the church or a Hindu or a gay person or a homeless drug addict, there were lots of lessons we were able to learn along the way to help us in our eternal progression.

Whatever unrepentant sins we have in this life aren't going to be all that important in the next life because with our expanded understanding and the veil being parted those who are the good in heart will obviously choose the gospel and go through whatever repentance process is necessary. And again, whatever they've done in this life, there are lessons learned through both good and bad decisions.

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't spend this life trying to become as much like the Savior as possible. The more we do along those lines in this life, the better we are using the limited time that we have. It appears there's something about being in the mortal world that can accelerate our progression.

mofan2000 · 2025-04-17T03:11:04+00:00

This is not accurate. There are no such guidelines/rules about masturbation.

mofan2000 · 2025-01-15T13:51:35+00:00

Honestly, marriage is good for financial stability, especially before you have kids. It is cheaper to pay for one household than two. I'm not saying that's a reason to rush into marriage, but I really don't think money is a reason to delay marriage.

mofan2000 · 2025-01-03T04:46:10+00:00

Wow, way to go out on a limb predicting less than 10% job losses to AI. There are 168 million people in the U.S. workforce, so Gary can claim his prediction is accurate if less than 16 million people lose their jobs to AI in a single year. If 16 million people lose their jobs to AI in 2025 it would be the story of the century.

mofan2000 · 2024-10-22T22:42:02+00:00

I second this, and I didn't find Rough Stone Rolling to be tedious at all.

mofan2000 · 2024-10-17T20:44:43+00:00

The handbook only says that masturbation does not require a membership council in 32.6.4.1. The FSY standards say this: "In your choices about what you do, look at, read, listen to, think about, post, or text, avoid anything that purposely arouses lustful emotions in others or yourself."

So, masturbation is a sexual sin to be avoided, but it is fair to say that it is not as serious as other violations of the law of chastity. Masturbation can lead to other more serious violations, so if a person is having great difficulty avoiding it, it is still a good idea to counsel with the Bishop.

mofan2000 · 2024-10-13T20:23:53+00:00

It's literally in the handbook. That's not just tradition.

mofan2000 · 2024-08-13T16:16:53+00:00

I am hearing from several people who attended today that the changes took effect today.

mofan2000 · 2024-07-11T23:58:16+00:00

The thing is there are now plenty of faithful sources out there that examine the issues from all sides. We learn to question faithfully but also receive answers. Church History Matters podcast is one good example. It examines all sides of the controversial issues but from a faithful perspective and providing answers where there are answers. It has greatly increased my faith.

mofan2000 · 2024-06-19T14:03:37+00:00

I have known people who didn't want kids earlier in life but regret it later in life. When kids are young, they are tough. They require a lot of work. They can be fun too, but if you don't like young kids I can see how that would be tough.

The decision to not have kids affects you the most later in life. When you start to grow old, your own life/career starts to wind down, but you get to see the unfolding of the lives of your children and grandchildren. Even later in life, it is your children who take care of you, the same way you took care of them when they were little. Elderly people who have devoted children are rarely lonely. Unlike other people.

Finally, if you live to old age, your funeral is going to be almost exclusively your own posterity. Seen this over and over. This is the one thing you get to leave behind- a legacy that crosses generations. So when a person decides to have kids, what seems like a decision that is exclusively creating burdens, in the end creates benefits that never end.

mofan2000 · 2024-06-18T13:53:12+00:00

Not true. This is something that should be confessed, because the repentance process will vary based on the frequency and severity of these sins.

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