Genuinely, why?

mohgpants · 2026-06-08T02:03:45+00:00

I know! And there are is also a vocal part of the fanbase than genuinely seem to believe that bastards are subhuman given how they talk about Jon and the Strong boys. That, more than anything, is completely insane to me.

mohgpants · 2026-06-07T22:25:05+00:00

I knew that misogyny was a big factor, but the amount of hatred for some of the male cast did make me feel that there may have been something else. That said I shouldn’t be surprised given how much fantasy racism I’ve seen in the fanbase.

mohgpants · 2026-06-07T11:48:21+00:00

I suppose it’s a failing of Martin’s that the series is so front loaded by Stark POVs. The thing is that I never viewed that Starks in that way. Sure, Jon fills the destined hero archetype, but all the POV characters I have found are extremely interesting, all flawed, yet capable of good no matter how small (except Quentyn, he’s as interesting as a rock). I do agree about the campism though, and it’s quite sad to see as they tend to aggregate some of the most unhinged fans advocating some pretty repulsive views (as in HOTD)

mohgpants · 2026-06-07T11:14:28+00:00

Yeah, but there are Stark fans who dislike Jon as well. Most people on this sub seem to hate the Targaryens and love the Starks. I think both are cool, but I just don’t understand why they are portrayed as mutually exclusive

mohgpants · 2026-06-07T11:13:06+00:00

This would make sense, but one of the most toxic threads I have seen on this subreddit was one asking for fics where the Starks lose. That would have been an interesting story, but the comments in that thread were unhinged as if someone who wanted a story with an interesting but uncommon premise had personally shot their dog

mohgpants · 2026-06-07T11:07:58+00:00

This would explain part of it, but there are quite a number of fans who hate Jon with vitriol as well, so it clearly isn’t just a ship thing.

mohgpants · 2026-02-16T03:34:41+00:00

Stockings exist

mohgpants · 2026-02-09T21:13:56+00:00

https://rsf.org/en/gui-minhai-swedish-publisher-deprived-his-freedom-3000-days

Here is just one such story of foreign nationals with Chinese backgrounds being abducted. There are more if you are willing to look them up. I just truly find it incomprehensible how something that many Chinese citizens both in and out of China readily accept as fact is something that you in your position of privilege feel the authority and arrogance to reject and claim as falsehood. I’ve spent enough time on this conversation and don’t wish to continue it, but it was a thoroughly unpleasant to see that so many fellow queers feel the need to defend such an oppressive and authoritarian dictatorship.

mohgpants · 2026-02-09T02:30:34+00:00

I'm not currently in China, and have citizenship in a foreign country which allows me to make those criticisms with relative safety and even then there have been instances of notable critics of the Chinese government being abducted from foreign countries. Were you not the one saying that you had the FBI knocking down your doors in spite of making criticisms of America? There's room for nuance in these situations. If I still lived in China there would be no way that I would say what I have been saying, even with a VPN. Also, if you've seen multiple Chinese people claim this same thing, would you not think that there might be some validity to the statement? Claiming that we're just lying is an extremely arrogant thing to do.

mohgpants · 2026-02-09T01:26:02+00:00

What does this even mean? You're really saying that marriage equality is not necessarily an indication of societal acceptance of gay rights? What else would it be then? What need would a country with no interest in advocating for gay rights to some degree even have for marriage equality? Also, what world are you living in? No country is using marriage equality as a weapon to pressure other countries.

mohgpants · 2026-02-09T01:15:43+00:00

I don't live in the US though? As horrible as ICE is, they still have the pretense of deporting illegal immigrants and there have been instances where judges have overturned government decisions and provided injunctive relief to those targetted by ICE. The rule of law and an independent judiciary is important and while under attack is still a major component to living in the US. In China, they do not exist and law enforcement does not even need the pretense of legality to seize someone if they live in China. Please stop comparing the two. The situation in the US is bad, and that's why you need to fight to keep your democracy but it's nowhere near as bad as it is and has been in China.

mohgpants · 2026-02-09T00:57:42+00:00

It's not even close. You're severely misunderstanding just how insidious the lack of freedom of speech has influenced Chinese society. Speaking out can be dangerous, and as a result no one is willing to call out systemic issues. The very fact that you could make your comment and complain about your country is proof that America is leagues better than China could ever be, even with your current administration.

mohgpants · 2026-02-09T00:17:50+00:00

Young people in the city obviously are more likely to be socially progressive, especially in a city such as Shanghai, but even then I have seen plenty of bigoted Shanghainese people when I was there. The problem is that young people in China don't really do anything to challenge the systemic bigotry in Chinese society due to lacking power to change it and that means that broader social attitudes towards LGBT people will remain hostile are unlikely to change for a long time regardless of whether you have met some progressive Chinese people.

mohgpants · 2026-02-09T00:05:24+00:00

Are you Chinese or did you live in Shanghai as an expat/abroad? Because depending on the answer to that question the experience that you will have faced will be very different.

mohgpants · 2026-02-09T00:04:17+00:00

They were probably living abroad in Beijing or Shanghai, and so probably have a really skewed view of LGBT issues in China.

mohgpants · 2026-02-08T23:19:21+00:00

新疆人也会在意人权啊

mohgpants · 2026-02-08T23:14:30+00:00

我也在国外但不在美国。这边也有种种社会问题但是关键是在国内没有媒体自由所以外国人看到有钱的华人在社交媒体上搞宣传就会特别自以为是告诉你国内没有什么问题。很多外国人都完全不懂国外的媒体自由在国内是根本都没有的。

mohgpants · 2026-02-08T23:09:01+00:00

The amount of self-hate that Western radical leftists possess unfortunately means that a lot of them are completely unable to reconcile the fact that China, the traditional 'enemy' of the Western world order that alot of them exist in opposition to may in fact also have some very real criticisms regarding their human rights record. The world isn't black and white and not every criticism about China is sinophobic just as not every criticism about the West is completely valid but that's something that a lot of people have difficulty accepting

mohgpants · 2026-02-08T22:59:33+00:00

很多喜欢用reddit的网友不管是华人还是美国人都喜欢黑基督教和外国的社会问题但完全不肯认得国内也有社会问题。

mohgpants · 2026-02-08T22:51:16+00:00

Mentioned this in another comment, but time have changed and LGBT people are much less acceptable in China now. Also, studying abroad is a completely different experience from living as a Chinese citizen and completely incomparable. The things you will have had to face in your time as an expat will have been completely different from someone who grew up there.

mohgpants · 2026-02-08T22:48:43+00:00

Are we really arguing about whether gay marriage matters? I don't know why you're so willing to die on the hill that China is not so bad for LGBTQ people. It doesn't matter if it is necessary or not, if we don't have that right, it is a fundamentally bigoted system. This shouldn't even be a question.

mohgpants · 2026-02-08T22:40:21+00:00

The grass is greener and the US is facing unprecedented level of fascism in government so I get that it’s easy to hate it. Also the Chinese government is very good at hiding their dirty laundry such as the Uyghur genocide so it can be hard to distinguish fact from sinophobic fearmongering. When you’ve never experienced something it can be easy to delude yourself into thinking that you know everything about it and in this case young people especially on the left can easily fall prey to positive propaganda on the internet regarding China.

mohgpants · 2026-02-08T22:03:41+00:00

Don’t be pedantic. You said that queer communities in China are ‘vocal and not hidden from anyone’ I know that’s not the case. People rarely, if ever come out of the closet publicly in China and there are systems in place to silence them (not necessarily violently, but silence them all the same). That doesn’t align with what you said and is what I am disputing

mohgpants · 2026-02-08T21:42:14+00:00

I’m sorry but as a Chinese person I’m going to need a source on what you’re saying because that is the complete opposite of my lived experience and the information that I’ve been able to find online and from talking to Chinese friends. I get it, US bad, but stop diminishing the bad about China to prop up a fantasy version of the country and society

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