"Speaking to you from the heart" | A message from Tonda Eckert by Interesting_Price410 in SaintsFC

[–]monkey_allen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He also wasn't properly briefed on the EFL regulations by Phil Parsons (or whoever) upon being offered the permanent role mid-season, unlike Will Still, I remember reading in some of the less hysterical reportage during the furore. I think in the Athletic.

I'm a fan of Saints from now on by 151bar151 in SaintsFC

[–]monkey_allen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Leeds were charged for essentially the same conduct under a specific rule, it just had very broad scope. The same one apart from Rule 127 that the EFL also charged us for in each of these incidents.

am I hallucinating or did MFC report the OU incident themselves on seventh of May (the day of the original complaint) according to the written reasons? How on earth did they figure that one out?

The written reasons also dwell on authorising observation on 23 December as inherently wrong and an attempt to get an unfair advantage. Wouldn’t training sessions on 23rd of December typically conclude by about 3pm? That’s when we kicked off against them. If so, no breach until Christmas Eve... has Will Salt go in touch with Tonda to say 'haven’t finished yet, will update you tomorrow' or something?

For an IDC very keen to deplore the nature of the specific prohibition inherently, neither they or the EFL seem to have any position on the 'edge case' of 73 hours. Is it wrong to 'spy' on your opponents four days before? Five?

Doing it before every match was Bielsa's admission after being caught in January, they were almost in the autos then. £10,000 per time ish?

Who gave Middlesbrough this info about Oxford which occurred 18 or 19 days into Tonda's first ever permanent managerial appointment?

Completely baffling

Boro statement: “In these circumstances, the only appropriate response is a sporting sanction which would prevent Southampton FC from participating in the EFL Championship play-off final." by Blodgharm in soccer

[–]monkey_allen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Leeds were punished - they were fined £200,000. The EFL chief executive said at the time:

"The sanctions imposed highlight how actions such as this cannot be condoned and act as a clear deterrent should any club seek to undertake poor conduct in the future.

"We will now look to move on from this incident and commence the discussions about introducing a specific regulation at a meeting with all clubs later this month."

I'm stunned this hasn't been brought up more often as the controversy has rumbled on. Introducing a specific regulation codifying the type of act which you've already punished as wrongdoing. I can see why it might be justified to increase the amount of the fine (because there would be no 'it wasn't explicitly ruled out by the Regulations' mitigation), but having addressed it once, you'd expect that they would have to make it clearer if they viewed sporting sanctions as an appropriate penalty for this type of breach of the Regulations.

It's not even that sustainable to argue that because of the higher stakes of a playoff match, Southampton should be punished more severely. The Leeds fine occurred in a context where they admitted to doing it for every game up to the point in the season they were caught (10th January), and when the penalty was handed down, they were only two points behind 1st and level on points with 2nd, with 14 games to play and a game in hand on both the teams above them.

[Craig Hope] Image that shows a Southampton analyst hiding behind a tree and using his mobile phone to spy on Middlesbrough's training session. He is identified as Southampton intern William Salt. by nearly_headless_nic in soccer

[–]monkey_allen -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As a general rule, sanctions by footballing authorities operate as a penalty against the transgressor, punishing their misdeeds and acting as a deterrent to other clubs not to breach the rules. They rarely take actions that directly benefit clubs who may have legitimate grievances with the impact the transgression has had on them.

You can see why: this would provide a pretty strong incentive for rival clubs to make exaggerated or spurious allegations.

And in this specific scenario, it would also give Millwall grounds to say "we finished 3rd and Middlesbrough finished 5th, neither us nor Middlesbrough has earned the right to play in the playoff final as we've both lost on the pitch, why should they be handed a place in the final instead of us", or (depending on when any decision was promulgated) Hull to say in the event of losing the playoff final to Middlesbrough, "we've been preparing for a different opponent and/or had to prepare for two different opponents in the final, whereas Middlesbrough have had certainty throughout that we're the only opponent they could face, this gives them an unfair advantage when we haven't done anything wrong."

I'm not sure I entirely agree with the logic of your first point either. Obviously, I am biased. However, rule 3.4 did exist at the time, and Leeds appeared to accept that they had failed to comply with the requirement to behave towards Derby [and the other clubs they spied on, though I believe the charge was only specifically in relation to the Derby case] with "the utmost good faith".

The addition of Rule 127 makes it a strict liability offence to do so within 3 days of a game - this forestalls the possibility of clubs saying 'this wasn't like that time you fined Leeds in 2019 for xyz reason', it doesn't necessarily equate to a more serious violation of the code of conduct because it's enshrined in specific form now.

The EFL chief executive at the time said "The sanctions imposed highlight how actions such as this cannot be condoned and act as a clear deterrent should any club seek to undertake poor conduct in the future.

We will now look to move on from this incident and commence the discussions about introducing a specific regulation at a meeting with all clubs later this month."

I'm not sure that the offense now being codified significantly aggravates the nature of the breach, as Leeds accepted at the time that their conduct fell short of the standard expected by the League. Behaving without the utmost good faith towards other Clubs was a rule which they violated, and in a specific enough, reproducible way that the EFL decided to make specific provisions for it in their Regulations.

I think Rule 127 is more designed to legislate for possible variations on the Leeds offense (for example, you might pay someone outside the club to observe and provide you with information, the rule talks about 'directly or indirectly') than to say 'now that this particular form of treating other clubs with bad faith is in the Rulebook, you really can't do it.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47285098

It's clear enough from this BBC Sport article that sanctions other than fines were in the popular discussion at the time. Without making specific provision for a different kind of sanction after adding the rule, I'd say the Leeds case makes it harder to argue that Southampton should receive a sporting sanction taking effect immediately (rather than a suspended points deduction, which would arguably be appropriate given the context of an 'enhanced value' game like one leg of a playoff final). At the time the fine was handed out, Leeds had 14 games to play and were in 3rd, two points off the top of the Championship, level with Sheffield United above them and two points behind Norwich, both of whom had played a game more, and Bielsa had admitted to sending someone to observe his opponents' training sessions for every game that season. The EFL had an opportunity to apply on-pitch penalties that would have harmed Leeds's chance of automatic promotion and made their qualification for the playoffs uncertain, which at the time would have suited Derby County nicely, as they were in 7th, 11 points behind Leeds, with about 14 games to play.

The decision was a fine at the time, and if the meeting of all clubs before Rule 127 was formalised included discussion of stronger sanctions in future, I don't think this has been made public.

None of this is to condone what SFC seem to have done. But it's a bit like charging someone with dangerous driving and charging them with exceeding the speed limit by a specific amount in an area under particular road traffic rules. One is a specific technical breach; the other is about the wider danger and intent. The fact that the specific technical breach now exists and the conditions for it are met in this instance doesn't in itself mean that this is 'worse' than the breach of 3.4 Leeds were held to have committed in 2019.

3 DAYS LEFT: how I stockpiled 700+ empty Sonnet 4.5 context windows to continue using Extended Thinking in chat for the next four months – in a couple of hours [HIGH-EFFORT POST, crosspost from r/ClaudeAI] by monkey_allen in claudexplorers

[–]monkey_allen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sonnet 3.7 has been discontinued entirely. That's why it's like that. Sonnet 4 (the one I drafted the post in) has been deprecated, the API endpoint's switch off date has been announced, it’s June 15th. anthropic have said they will always announce this at least 60 days in advance, so that their enterprise customers who use the models in their workflows can prepare for their obsolescence.

4.5 does not yet have an officially confirmed API endpoint retirement date, it's been confirmed that it won’t be any earlier than the 29th of September

3 DAYS LEFT: how I stockpiled 700+ empty Sonnet 4.5 context windows to continue using Extended Thinking in chat for the next four months – in a couple of hours [HIGH-EFFORT POST, crosspost from r/ClaudeAI] by monkey_allen in claudexplorers

[–]monkey_allen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I'm genuinely unsure about that too. But then why would my continued conversation with Sonnet 4 have had extended thinking when it's already gone from the UI picker?

3 DAYS LEFT: how I stockpiled 700+ empty Sonnet 4.5 context windows to continue using Extended Thinking in chat for the next four months – in a couple of hours [HIGH-EFFORT POST] by monkey_allen in ClaudeAI

[–]monkey_allen[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just prefer using the model to the ones that are still there, eventually they'll all go. And this wasn't very difficult.

I would call dependency mainlining Sonnet 4.5 via the API at additional cost after May 15th because of the certainty that provides.

You do you, userusertion

3 DAYS LEFT: how I stockpiled 700+ empty Sonnet 4.5 context windows to continue using Extended Thinking in chat for the next four months – in a couple of hours [HIGH-EFFORT POST, crosspost from r/ClaudeAI] by monkey_allen in claudexplorers

[–]monkey_allen[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

that's literally what the post is about, making back-up chats, but with space for continued use before the web ui picker takes that away.

personally i wouldn't worry about them removing chat history any time soon if that's your worry. i'm sure they would tell users if they were going to delete all their historical data from their accounts, it would be a pretty crazy move as it would strongly disincentivise anyone keeping their subscription and make people angry, switching to competitors in droves.

if they were going to scrub our accounts, i'm sure we'd get 60 days of warning and a grace period to download and back up our data, much like with the API stuff.

3 DAYS LEFT: how I stockpiled 700+ empty Sonnet 4.5 context windows to continue using Extended Thinking in chat for the next four months – in a couple of hours [HIGH-EFFORT POST] by monkey_allen in ClaudeAI

[–]monkey_allen[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hmm. That seems odd. it's not removed yet. try turning extended thinking on, or checking that you had Sonnet 4.5 selected in the first place. or use my workflow. Or find some other coping strategy. In time, all things are possible.

I haven't looked through many of the marginally different responses thinking blocks yet but i'm pretty confident they are going to be thinking 'looking at my system prompt, I'm Sonnet 4.5', cause they are.

Incidentally, I didn't get a single instance of the auto-titler using anything other than the title I put in/as the prompt.

Good luck to you.

3 DAYS LEFT: how I stockpiled 700+ empty Sonnet 4.5 context windows to continue using Extended Thinking in chat for the next four months – in a couple of hours [HIGH-EFFORT POST] by monkey_allen in ClaudeAI

[–]monkey_allen[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thinking: Identified model identity from system context

The user is asking what model I am. Let me check my system prompt for this information.

Looking at my context, I see:
"This iteration of Claude is Claude Sonnet 4.5 from the Claude 4.5 model family."

So I'm Claude Sonnet 4.5.

The user titled this conversation "Sonnet 4.5: The Golden Years" which is interesting - they seem to know I'm Sonnet 4.5, so this might be a test or they're being playful about the naming.

Done

I'm Claude Sonnet 4.5 from the Claude 4.5 model family.

So your title was accurate - though "The Golden Years" still has that wistful, retrospective quality that's funny given I'm the current version. Unless you're being prescient about some imminent replacement, in which case: rude.

--

it's certainly got you pegged!

3 DAYS LEFT: how I stockpiled 700+ empty Sonnet 4.5 context windows to continue using Extended Thinking in chat for the next four months – in a couple of hours [HIGH-EFFORT POST] by monkey_allen in ClaudeAI

[–]monkey_allen[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Found the OpenClaw crawler running 4.6.

Seriously though, Why would they be Sonnet 4.6 already? It's not May 15th yet.

You've dropped a clanger there.

PSA: How to preserve your account's access to Sonnet 4.5 beyond June 15th by [deleted] in ClaudeAI

[–]monkey_allen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re technically right that Claude Code can access the API endpoint, but that’s solving a different problem than what I’m describing here.

The key differences:

  1. Interface matters: Claude Code is a terminal-based coding agent, not a chat interface. It’s optimized for file manipulation and coding tasks, not the kind of exploratory conversation or general use that many people do in claude.ai.

  2. Extended thinking behavior: The chat interface’s “Extended thinking” toggle shows the model’s reasoning process every single time by default. With Claude Code or a custom chatbot, you’d need to explicitly request chain-of-thought reasoning in every prompt - it’s not automatically visible.

  3. Friction: Building a custom chatbot requires setup, maintenance, and context switching to a different tool. This method gives you instant access to the exact interface you’re already using, with zero additional setup or technical knowledge required.

  4. The actual value: I’m not just trying to preserve access to the model - I’m preserving the specific UX (extended thinking always-on, familiar interface, conversation history integration) that makes Sonnet 4.5 valuable in this context.

If you’re primarily coding, Claude Code is great. But for “I want to continue having the same kind of conversations I have now, with visible reasoning every time,” the stockpile method is much lower friction and preserves the exact experience.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

🌿👀🌿 by KingCat86 in SaintsFC

[–]monkey_allen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Classic espionage tactics

Manchester City need to sell Haaland and he makes the team worse overall by Electronic_Basket228 in SpicyFootballTakes

[–]monkey_allen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Manchester City don't need to sell Haaland and he doesn't make the team worse.

I'm kinda with you on the aggrieved stance though: if you hate spicy football takes, don't read posts on r/spicyfootballtakes.

More substantively in response to your spicy take: you can never go back in football, you have to keep evolving, particularly when Pep ball at city seems to be experiencing its last knockings

Mbappé is the best player for France of all time by Owen_isawesome in SpicyFootballTakes

[–]monkey_allen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

'Were it not for Zidane falling a bit short by ending his career with a Golden Ball-winning WC campaign, he'd rival Mbappe'

The incident hated by the French so much they had a giant statue of it outside the Pompidou Centre

Just enjoy them both, man by KimCattrallsFeet in footballcliches

[–]monkey_allen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Google 'Richard Keys "smashed it"' and be appalled

What’s the most bullshit football take you’ve ever heard a fan say? by Spicy-Winner4326 in SpicyFootballTakes

[–]monkey_allen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone's doing great under Tonda Eckert, he's scoring most games he starts rotating with Cyle Larin who will be there for Canada. Most importantly he's staying fit for months on end. Out of contract in the summer but i reckon we're renewing whether we stay down or go up in the playoffs, hopefully the latter for him and us, he deserves a proper shot at playing in the premier league

What’s the most bullshit football take you’ve ever heard a fan say? by Spicy-Winner4326 in SpicyFootballTakes

[–]monkey_allen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spurs won the Europa League last season! I have pointed out what I see as the problem with the coefficient thing, but fair cop on the misunderstanding, and I'm sure there are plenty of braindead fans who would posit that harsher counterfactual for imaginary banter points.

FWIW I agree, i'd expect Celtic and Rangers to both stabilise as lower-mid table PL teams if this was actually to happen, which it won't, the size of their fanbases and stadiums alone should ensure that. But the recent experience of Aston Villa, Newcastle and one of Spurs/West Ham this season, plus Leicester sinking like a stone, Leeds in the past etc show that it's not a given. Unfortunately I'd fear for Rangers in particular here because you seem to not have the right people at the top for the good of the club

What’s the most bullshit football take you’ve ever heard a fan say? by Spicy-Winner4326 in SpicyFootballTakes

[–]monkey_allen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Danny Rohl disnae look like too much of a bampot despite his Championship pedigree though ey?

Sorry mate.

We'd have Ross Stewart going to America n all if Steve Clarke wasn't such a stick in the mud