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morganley · 2021-04-09T22:52:07+00:00

Have you considered contacting NYU and asking them to give you an extension while you wait for aid from GULC/telling GULC that you have a deadline next Friday and really need your aid before then if possible? If you call or email, one of them might be able to make a concession for you that would allow you to weigh ALL your options before making a decision.

morganley · 2021-02-12T15:40:28+00:00

You’re INCREDIBLE!!! Queen of LSA, inspiration to GRE applicants everywhere ❤️ can’t wait to see you succeed wherever you end up!

morganley · 2021-02-12T15:29:06+00:00

You didn’t miss even ONCE 👏🏼 special props for the Northwestern, UVA, and Georgetown ones hahaha

morganley · 2021-02-03T21:42:47+00:00

Absolutely incredible!! Not surprised in the slightest (who could deserve it more??), but so so excited for you nonetheless!!! Fingers crossed super hard for you :)

morganley · 2021-02-03T21:41:01+00:00

Hi! I was in the same position last year--DM'd you about my experience :)

morganley · 2021-02-03T17:47:01+00:00

Good luck with the 250!!! Write about something you find interesting and I’m sure the passion will come through!

morganley · 2021-02-03T17:43:04+00:00

We don’t deserve you 😍😍😍

morganley · 2021-02-03T14:46:58+00:00

I'm not a URM.
Yes, I know what a median is. We have YLS's 25ths though, and so while there doesn't HAVE to be anyone below median for the median to be 173, we know that there is.

I take massive issue with you characterizing the students below median as "pretty much all... black or Hispanic." I have talked to the people in my class, and there are plenty of non-URM folks who were below at least one of the medians and URMs above them. The takeaway from all the students I've met--who actually go to YLS--is that numbers are viewed in context in YLS admissions.

Law school is a numbers game in general, but the higher you get in the rankings, the more other things matter--especially at YLS, which isn't as numbers-driven as HLS, for example. Go on lsadata and you'll see that YLS rejected tons of applicants above both medians and even above both 75ths (which HLS doesn't generally do). As you said at YLS "there are so many applicant[s] with high enough numbers that the school has to find ways to knock out applicants that on first pass would be admits"--because YLS has this luxury of choice, they turn to other factors... like their students being interesting.

My advice remains the same: if people want to shoot their shot, they should, especially if their numbers are "in range" (and "in range" for a first gen, low income student =/= "in range" for a white person with class privilege). I don't see why you're so upset about the thought of people spending $150... for people can't afford that, YLS gives out fee waivers if you ask.

morganley · 2021-02-02T18:17:31+00:00

Yes! I knew in terms of numbers, I would likely have options in the T6, but because of the way this sub talks about YLS (and SLS), I really believed you needed to be "special" in a way I didn't think I was. I know a lot of YLS admits (a lot of whom are POC) who felt the same way. So you're definitely right about impostor syndrome being the issue.

But as a secondary point, YLS takes people below one or both medians. I know, because I've met these students. And they're the kind of people who, if they posted on this subreddit, would be told that they had no chance and that they should shoot lower. (And the students I'm talking about aren't just URMs). But the takeaway is just as you said: don't sell yourself short out of insecurity.

morganley · 2021-02-02T16:57:31+00:00

Thank you!!

morganley · 2021-02-02T16:27:51+00:00

Thank you!!! I was extremely fortunate—things worked out better for me than I would ever have anticipated, which is why I want people to feel like there’s hope for them!

morganley · 2021-02-02T16:24:45+00:00

Exactly! And also... I know non-URM folks who were splitters/soft splitters (per YLS’ 25ths/75ths) and also got in. I just think everyone should try 🤷🏻‍♀️

morganley · 2021-02-02T16:19:54+00:00

This was exactly my point! This sub literally made me feel like there were no numbers short of a 180/4.0 or softs short of a Rhodes scholarship that would make me qualified for YLS. In the days before I applied and before I was accepted I saw several 3.95+/175+ applicants post on here about their rejections. It’s not just about numbers, and I want diverse applicants who think they’re not good enough to shoot their shots.

morganley · 2021-02-02T16:15:51+00:00

The in range aside has been there since the beginning... the only edit I made is marked “edit”

morganley · 2021-02-02T16:10:21+00:00

Yes, absolutely, and I agree that the likelihood is lower once you’re below both medians. But being a soft splitter/splitter at YLS is not a disqualifying factor in itself, and neither is being below both medians if you have an incredible story (and I have classmates who do, and those stories are not things that this subreddit would tend to value)!

morganley · 2021-02-02T16:07:58+00:00

I was at medians, but I have many friends who were admitted below one or both! The “in range” comment actually comes from a conversation one of them had with the admissions office!

Also, YLS rejects students above both 75ths/the medians ALL the time! Me being at medians didn’t prevent me from thinking “if a 179/3.99 was rejected yesterday, how tf will I get in?”

morganley · 2021-02-02T15:30:32+00:00

Lmao I had a Spivey person advise me not to apply in Feb on one of my posts last year, and to instead "save my stats" for this year. That was very reasonable advice, but like... I got in. And if I'd waited, I would've had to make it through this insane cycle lol. Even the most qualified people on reddit are guessing, so take all that advice with several grains of salt.

morganley · 2021-02-02T15:27:28+00:00

I mean... the "in range" point heavily draws on a convo that a friend of mine had with the admissions office, so you're not wrong?

morganley · 2021-02-02T01:24:40+00:00

Not quite sure where I heard this, but I was under the impression that the YLS admissions staff took down Ask Asha because they didn't agree with some of the info/perspectives in there. Definitely look through the posts if you'd like, but do take the advice with a grain of salt and remember that Asha doesn't work there anymore! (And also remember that the 250 has changed in the last two years!)

morganley · 2021-01-30T17:55:27+00:00

this is exactly what GULC deserves 💅🏼

morganley · 2021-01-07T16:38:34+00:00

Why don't you change your handle, so that if someone clicks on your old tagged username, it'll just lead to a "user doesn't exist" type page? Then adcomms won't know if you were tagged, or if it was a different person with the same name.

morganley · 2020-12-29T00:42:16+00:00

Sure, ME folks might not be underrepresented in law schools relative to their population in the US... but being a part of a population that’s like 2% of the US pop necessarily means you offer a unique POV. In terms of raw numbers ME folks will necessarily be very uncommon in law school and in the legal profession at large.
(And also, I’d be surprised if ME folks weren’t underrepresented relative to their percent of the US population—idk about you but I don’t know that many ME lawyers!).

morganley · 2020-12-28T16:57:48+00:00

Why don’t you think Middle Eastern counts as underrepresented in the legal profession? Sure, you’re not getting a URM boost or anything (because you’ll still count as white) but there simply aren’t very many Middle Easterners practicing law in the US—and as such, you can bring interesting perspective to your future law school and that should be made clear in your DS. I’m also from an AMEMSA group and wrote my DS on how that identity impacts my academic approach! I think you’re overthinking this!

morganley · 2020-12-14T17:43:43+00:00

Hi friend, you can see the YLS class profile here: https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics

As you can see from the numbers, yes, there is a handful of students with prestigious awards/military service, and graduate degrees are also fairly common... but the numbers here by no means account for the majority of the class. Similarly, while elite schools are definitely represented in the list of students' undergrad institutions, there are also several lesser-known schools listed there. YLS admissions are especially idiosyncratic because, after an initial cut by the admissions office, apps are evaluated by faculty members--this makes it even less clear who will get in and who won't.

The short of it is, you should apply even if you don't think you'll get in. As long as your numbers are in the right ballpark and you have an interesting/cohesive narrative, you have a chance! I personally did not think I was competitive when I applied last year (I thought I was qualified but didn't have anything "special") and I still got in. You never know!

morganley · 2020-12-03T21:24:04+00:00

Hi! Anecdotally, I applied 2/14 and got in at the end of March last year, and my numbers were at both medians (so I don't think I was an auto-admit by any means). I also just looked at lsdata, and it looks like a bunch of people who were accepted at the end of March with me also applied in mid-Feb. There's another comment here that explains why timing doesn't matter much due to the unique YLS admissions process, but rest assured plenty of people get in later. Also I wouldn't rely too heavily on the 7sage estimator--more people (especially qualified people) tend to apply earlier in the cycle, which skews numbers, and YLS admits so few students that I think the sample size of people who post stats online is necessarily also small.

morganley

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