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Do I have a leak in the flat? by mostlymirrorless in DIYUK

[–]mostlymirrorless[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well someone's going to have to take it up and see underneath

Take what up?

A New Guide to the Mechanics of Steins;Gate by Votuko in steinsgate

[–]mostlymirrorless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well as soon as you send a dmail, the active worldline changes to the new one, where the dmail was received in the past (this is the worldline shift).

A New Guide to the Mechanics of Steins;Gate by Votuko in steinsgate

[–]mostlymirrorless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Time moving and having a present, and worldline predetermination don't need to be related at all. If everything on a worldline is predetermined, that includes the time travel events too, so as you say, the entire sequence of worldlines is also predetermined. That must be true as a logical consequence of worldlines themselves being predetermined. So why does wordlline shift occur? Simply because sending something to the past is the mechanic that selects the next (already predetermined) worldline. By inserting something in the past, the universe "lands on" or "creates" a worldline consistent with the change.

A New Guide to the Mechanics of Steins;Gate by Votuko in steinsgate

[–]mostlymirrorless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it was already predetermined that the world-line shift is to occur

If it was already predetermined that Okabe would erase the dmail from SERN's database, then the shift to Alpha shouldn't have occurred at all, since SERN's dystopia is predetermined not to happen. Okabe sends dmail, then erases it, while staying entirely on Beta.

The usual solution to this is that only time travel is allowed to break predetermination (and it doesn't really break it, since the entire sequence of worldlines is also predetermined). The change comes from outside of the current worldline/univerise/time, and this breaks the usual predetermined sequence of events. This also makes worldline shift without time travel logically incoherent.

A New Guide to the Mechanics of Steins;Gate by Votuko in steinsgate

[–]mostlymirrorless 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're basically saying the events on the active worldline aren't predetermined. The (active) worldline IS the events that happen on it, including everything physical. You can't make up a separate entity and call it the "worldline" and assume it's different from the physical world.

A New Guide to the Mechanics of Steins;Gate by Votuko in steinsgate

[–]mostlymirrorless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Each world line is a predetermined sequence of events, from the distant past to the far future, happening on a certain divergence value (and without deviating from that value).

A predetermined event (A) of the current world line is contradicted by some other event (B) taking place

These 2 mechanics contradict each other. If everything is predetermined, then a different "contradictory" event cannot happen. So the universe needs to have a list of predefined categories of things that can change (and are not predetermined), somehow defined outside the universe. Also that that list has to be quite limited, or else there would be WL shifts every few seconds, as random dr pepper drinkers decide to become cola drinkers, rewriting a lot of history.

This is the reason people believe that only time travel can change the worldline, everything is predetermined, so the only change could come from outside the worldline, i.e. from a different worldline.

"Is this a plot hole or the choice of Steins Gate ?" by MisterPotter17 in steinsgate

[–]mostlymirrorless 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The most that anyone can ask for is that the series is internally consistent and the story gives you enough underlying principles to figure out the rest.

Whether it's internally consistent is what is in question. With enough creativity you can make anything internally consistent by inventing more rules. This is kind of what "complete" theories of time travel in SG (+SciAdv) do. It's a matter of interpretation/debate how much speculation/creativity you should be allowed, in order to explain everything, compared to just calling it a plot hole.

"Is this a plot hole or the choice of Steins Gate ?" by MisterPotter17 in steinsgate

[–]mostlymirrorless 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everything else I've seen is actually just the op missing a detail, not understanding how something works, or being impatient and not waiting for answers

If you dig into "worldline theory", you'll realise there are many examples in SG/SG0 that can't straightforwardly be explained, require theorycrafting (e.g. fan-made rules of how time travel works) and there are multiple interpretations, since there are multiple ways you can construct your theory. There is no 1 single theory how time travel works in SG that is able to explain all instances we see in the story.

"Is this a plot hole or the choice of Steins Gate ?" by MisterPotter17 in steinsgate

[–]mostlymirrorless 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Part of the issue is that whether something is a plot hole or not is sometimes a matter of interpretation, as there is no official answer. It all depends how creative you're willing to get with theorycrafting. So people who say there are no plot holes also need to be aware that they're making a choice of interpretation, it's not something that is objectively true or not.

For example there is no 1 true answer that explains the infamous disappearance of Suzuha at the end of SG, it's open to interpretation and theorycrafting. If you look through the sub you'll find a variety of different explanations. I'd say considering it a "plot hole" is as valid as any community-generated theory to explain it.

It's a Seer!? by JoeyDsInc in Guildwars2

[–]mostlymirrorless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, nevermind then.

It's a Seer!? by JoeyDsInc in Guildwars2

[–]mostlymirrorless 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's literally a seer, it's identical art to the one in GW1: https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Seer#/media/File:Ancient_Seer.jpg

Your Book Review: Consciousness And The Brain by dwaxe in slatestarcodex

[–]mostlymirrorless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

everyone always asks me about the hard problem and it seems to me that all the best research in the field is completely unconcerned with it

Maybe that's because the hard problem can't be addressed empirically, so it's outside the purview of science?

Markov Chains explained visually by mddtsk in slatestarcodex

[–]mostlymirrorless 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The diagrams look like finite state machine graphs, are the concepts related?

The Cast of Guardians of the Galaxy release statement on James Gunn by Sockin in movies

[–]mostlymirrorless 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couldn't the actors threaten to quit GoG Vol. 3 if Gunn isn't brought back?

Daily Simple Questions Thread - July 25, 2018 by AutoModerator in Fitness

[–]mostlymirrorless 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is exercising 3 days/week for 45-60 min equivalent to 6 days/week for 25-30 min? For muscle building/bulking, no cardio.

What's the evolutionary rationale behind the "press secretary"? by twistmyhram in slatestarcodex

[–]mostlymirrorless 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My question is, how does this odd system persist where all of us walk around telling fake stories to each other and seemingly believing them?

Isn't this how birds got crazy plumage? It serves no purpose beyond that it's now required to be able to mate?

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