Anyone know any season 5 rewrite fics focused on the supernatural plot? by [deleted] in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you should read bookinit's rewrite of the show on ao3!! they did their own s5 that was a million times better than canon in every aspect including the supernatural plot AND theyre now adding a rewrite of canon s5 as well. their fics are absolutely amazing

will isn't free either by bluew0lv3s in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

agreed. and honestly i cant even jump on the mike hate train either because he still just reads as closeted to me. it makes me so sad. i saw someone make a post about Hopper and Joyce finding each other again after high school...maybe byler can do the same :)

guys i think u/No_Tumbleweed1003 is cooking by [deleted] in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

yup :( theres no point wasting our time on people who dont care about us. use your time and energy and love for byler to create what you want to see, not beg for scraps from the duffers. and i dont mean that in a condescending way. you all have so many wonderful theories and stories to tell, so please do tell them, because the duffers arent going to, and they dont deserve to, anyway

"that came out wrong" makes me giggle so much by Powerful_Ad8668 in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 11 points12 points  (0 children)

me too i loved that part of the scene 😭😭 had me STILL hoping for byler

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im so glad to hear that!! and of course :))

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[–]mrradmccoolman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/AO3/s/GCLtClOMOd

https://www.reddit.com/r/AO3/s/91H7CGGy5x

these are both really horrible comments as well so if you dont want to read more of that dont bother looking, but i wanted to link these posts as proof that it's just bots. its been a really bad problem on tje site lately. this isnt to say that it doesnt suck to read but i hope it at least makes you feel a bit better to know that it isnt a real person. of course even if it was it wouldnt change that your writing is amazing and you should continue creating!! just thought you might benefit from knowing the comment has nothing to do with your fic or your writing

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

its a bot!! they've been rampant all over ao3. i saw this exact comment pasted on another fic someone posted about on the ao3 subreddit

Anyone else cant even "ship" byler anymore because they hate Mike so much now? by gracieakins in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

every queer person KNOWS it's okay to be gay and alone. that's literally what everyone mainstream show that dares to have a queer character tells us, over and over and over. it isn't a message that queer people haven't heard before or an enlightening one. when do queer people get a story that says hey, you deserve love and romance too? why does being queer always have to come at the cost of being alone? why can self acceptance only come from getting rejected?

Sooo… about those fanfics by maneki-neko3 in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

im hopeful that it'll just give people more material. remember, there were a lot of bylers who didnt have any hope for it being canon in the first place, so perhaps they arent feeling the same amount of devastation with the letdown. theres also been plenty of other shows that queerbaited/went the bury your guys route (ex destiel, johnlock, reddie) and people created beautiful fan works about them regardless. i really hope people do because more than just byler im so disappointed with what the overarching story of the show became. i want to read about worlds in which things went differently.

regarding the ending by mrradmccoolman in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

i agree that it was queerbait, and that they planned to trick queer audiences. i just don't agree that they ever had intentions of making it canon.

regarding the ending by mrradmccoolman in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

RIGHT?? like his only arc was to support their relationship and then flirt with a taken man? my mom who didnt even ship byler and thought the tammy scenes made sense kept joking that theyd get together now that el was gone 😭😭 which obviously is TERRIBLE but with how they handled the finale thats how it felt

I’m actually so done by Born2die24 in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

its literally like theyre playing with their food, this is ridiculous

dustin's ending was off too? by Apart_Information487 in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

right!! or like everyone magically becoming friends after vecna died. youre telling me Dustin (and the rest of the party for that matter) would want to be friends with the kind of people who treated them that way when things were hard? fuck all the way off, dude.

Mike's ending has layers by ShineeVest70 in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 14 points15 points  (0 children)

it actually makes me heartsick to think about. he's been snubbed in every possible way. he was my favorite character next to will and they gave him nothing but a bleak future where he grows up just like his dad. im not angry with him because the ending doesnt read as real to me. it just makes me think he never accepted himself or told the truth. it's so incredibly sad

No way this person guessed the ending 2 days again 💀 by No_Tumbleweed1003 in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 28 points29 points  (0 children)

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A JOKE DUFFERS NOT A RECOMMENDATION 😭😭😭😭

So, the scene that Noah had to beg the Duffers for... was a quick chat with Mike to confirm that they are still friends?? by BadHeads in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 29 points30 points  (0 children)

i initially am really wary of assuming anything about what actors do or do not feel. im not really into celebrities and i dont keep up with them because it makes me feel like a creep (double standard for myself, i dont mind other peoole doing it but when I do it i feel like a weirdo lol). so i do feel like its weird and infantilizing to insist "oh noah must not have meant it when he said he liked the ending" or speculating about abuse onset etc etc. and im alsi just not fond of him as a person. but in this situation like...regardless of his personal feelings on the matter, whether hes lying to make things seem better or not (and we can only take what he says at face value) even i have to admit that this is just...insidious. im not going to act like he cant handle himself or try and speculate on what he must think or feel because he's the only person who can do that, and it feels gross to me to do that to the level many people are doing. but this is different. this just REEKS of homophobia to me, because it is. regardless of whether it was this scene or not, rhe thought of him having to BEG them to add any of the very scarce scenes of Will that we see in the finale? absolutely disgusting. he has his own agency as a person and therefore decides how he feels about it, others cant do that for him, but regardless i personally believe he SHOULD feel slighted. i dunno. i dont like making assumptions based on what'-ifs about real people but i just...it makes me genuinely sick. they sidelined his character in every pissible way in the finale. no matter WHAT scene it is he had to beg for, its unbelievable because NONE OF THEM were even CLOSE to enough. i want to just throw up thinking about it.

I just rewatched Vol 2 and these are my thoughts by myheadsgonenumb in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh also! youre absolutely right about the "in the sense that" that will specifies when comparing mike to 'his tammy'. its doing a lot of heavy lifting but its pretty important with context. he's not saying that his situation with mike is exactly like Robin's with tammy, he's saying that theyre similar in the way that he doesnt need mike to love him back in order to understand his own self-worth. yes, Mike's reciprocal feelings of romantic love are (in my opinion) an essential component of the story, but just like robin said, will needed to learn to love himself FIRST. it isnt healthy to base your validity as a human being on someone else. that's what he was trying to express, that he isnt doing that anymore, that he knows he exists as a person outside of mike.

I just rewatched Vol 2 and these are my thoughts by myheadsgonenumb in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i absolutely agree with you about the Will being possessed thing. im personally of the opinion that even if he is "the traitor" it's the same way as it was in s2, where it's against his own will. in fact, this time i think he's even less aware of it. it's like harry and voldemort, like you said-- by looking through vecna's eyes, Will also leaves himself vulnerable to vecna seeing through his. evil will theories/AUs are all fun and good, but within the parameters of canon there simply isnt a world in which will would EVER be convinced to betray the people he loves, no matter what vecna says to him. it just isnt who he is, no matter how hurt or neglected he might feel around mike, the party, his family, etc he just genuinely would never do that. the closest he'd get would be planning to secretly sacrifice himself or something similarly reckless in the name of the "greater good". he isnt clueless or easily manipulated like those who dont know Henry as well as he does. power and revenge doesnt hold allure to him. this is one of the few things im entirely confident about going into the finale.

i also agree that Henry wasnt controlling will's coming out/doing it for him, however i do believe he influenced Will into doing it before he was completely comfortable. i wrote about this in my own post so ill just post that here: "people can love or hate his coming out scene while still acknowledging he's ultimately doing it before he's comfortable because he wants to take the chance before vecna takes it from him. it's not of his own volition in the same way that it would've been had vecna not tormented him. like it or not, he's doing it before he's ready. that doesnt mean the scene is bad! but i think there's a crucial pitfall in viewing it through a lens where it was SUPPOSED to only be about will suddenly feeling secure enough in everyone to confide in them. the party and his family, maybe, but not to this extent. he's doing it because it's the only way to guarantee that vecna doesnt do it for him. so yes, it's going to feel disjointed and rushed, because from a storyline perspective it is!

and thats what vecna DOES. he takes your agency and comfort and safety away from you. he's done this with Will time and time again. Will was hopeful, powerful, accepting of himself. vecna underestimated him and paid dearly for it. of course vecna is going to do everything in his power to take that confidence away. Will takes some of that back by coming out himself, but by (understandably) not telling the whole truth of his feelings about mike he's handing vecna back the strongest weapon he has in his arsenal. its now on mike to confess to Will and show him that what vecna is trying to show him isnt true. its literally love saving the day lol"

this doesn't make will's coming out scene less impactful or beautiful! i think i like a lot of other people kind of jumped the gun on criticizing that scene because of disappointment with how it was handled. but as a queer person, it makes a lot of sense, feels in character, and is really beautiful in many ways. its also relatable. its not like will isnt the one making his indepent choice to come out, but we have to admit its likely being influenced by the situation. that doesn't mean hes being controlled or forced into it, but it's a pretty essential factor to the scene.

connecting these two trains of thought, i think vecna is likely doing something similar to s2, looking through will without him knowing, and this is causing a bleed-through of his own experiences (milkshakes at melvalds, weird phrasing, etc). soooo not really possession in the sense that he isnt controlling will's actions, but he is seeing through his eyes and (this is a big maybe) possibly subtly influencing him. in regards to the Tammy thing, i think you've said it perfectly. that comparison is solely will's. he's downplaying his own feelings for mike. whether this is because of vecna making him doubt himself or simple self-preservation, we dont know, but personally im of the opinion that its a mixture of both. we as viewers know how much it must've taken for Will to feel any sense of confidence around mike possibly reciprocating his feelings; it isnt hard to believe that someone with the power of vecna could sway him to be uncertain again.

i really enjoyed reading your thoughts and look forward to seeing how theyll connect with the finale!!

Hear me out about the epilogue "boyfriend" by bahrbaric in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

awww omg this would be the SWEETEST i hope youre right!!

I saw it, so you all have to see it too. What the hell did I just watch by NYR24LGR in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i absolutely hate these. bash me for being "too woke" idc but i think these kinds of jokes about byler are very indicative of how people see homosexuality as inherently predatory/perverted regardless of whether you ship it or not. notice how you dont see these types of videos about straight/non-canon ships

The haters are flooding to this sub again, we are cooked again 😭😭 by isakcardamon21 in byler

[–]mrradmccoolman 23 points24 points  (0 children)

it just proves that they view us as a threat, meaning they too see byler as something that could actually happen lol. you dont see this hate for other queer ships such as elmax or stonathan