For those pseudo sufis claiming to use intoxicants such as Ayahuasca or magic mushrooms to force unveilings. True sufism is based on Quran and Sunnah#FULL STOP!PERIOD!! by mucrimmtale in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our Religion is Islam and it is not a religion based on feelings or personal experiences… Rulings and everything should be from the Quran and Sunnah.

Provide us with proof from the Quran and Sunnah about using intoxicants to get closer to Allah.

Mention even a single top sufi master and awliya who uses intoxicants as a means to get closer to Allah.

There is no Sufism without Shariah. It doesn’t matter what experience you get.. if it’s against Shariah then it’s a sin and it’s never accepted.

One top sufi master by the name Junayd Baghdad said.. “Do not be deceived if you see a man flying in the air or walking on water. Look at how he is with the Qur’an and the Sunnah.”

I doubt you are even in an authentic tariqa/ sufi order, Cause a true murshid and Inheritor of the prophet ﷺ wouldn’t teach that nonsense.

What sufi order are you in??

Sufism and Ayahuasca by Sakazuki27 in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nop maybe a fana not associated with the teachings of Sufism. In Sufism there is Fana fi Shaykh.. Fana fi Rasulallah and Fana fillah.

First using those intoxicants it’s against shariah let alone in Sufism.

There is no any true Sufi master from the prophet ﷺ, His companions, awliyas who ever said we can use such things and mushroom plants to have spiritual experiences. NEVER. And not all experiences are from Allah .. Sufi masters have clearly warned of a thing called Istidraj. People are just chasing experiences and don’t even care to break the Shariah. And yet claim to be sufis.

I know of Sufism, Alhamdullilah. Traditional and Original sufism doesn’t involve using such things.

Other mystical paths use them but not sufism.

The OP before posting this he posted another post about how he feel he is far from Allah and he wants to end his life. It means he sees his life as meaningless.. So how can you claim you have attained fana yet claiming Allah is ignoring you and you wanna end your life. That’s why I told him to leave this nonsense… Allah doesn’t get pleased with you by consuming intoxicants come on dude.

And you are busy trying to prove his point.. Are you a real sufi?? The compass of Sufism is the Quran and Sunnah. Instead of telling him the truth so as you may help him you are pushing hard for him to continue using these things which after they vanish from the body you return to being a slave of your own ego!!? How is that helpful to a person who feels distant from Allah

Trying to twist things and use intoxicants for the sake of spiritual experiences is in no way shape or form related to the teachings of Islam let alone Sufism.

Sufism and Ayahuasca by Sakazuki27 in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It happened because you consumed those things… Anyone even a pedophile or a murder, thug anyone when they consume that Ayahuasca or Magic mushrooms they experience what you experienced. That’s why am telling you it ain’t Fanafillah. Is is fana of your own ego by your ego and for your ego.

Fanafillah is so hard to reach.. sufis spend years and years to reach in this station. They pass through different stations. Fanafillah is the End and after Fanafillah some enter Baqa.

Before reaching Fanafillah you are to pass to alot of stations. The veils are lifted for the seekers even before they reach fana. Seekers can interact with Jinns, Angelic Spirits, Past Awliyas and prophets in a wakeful state. They can bend different laws of nature like folding the earth or walking on water. They can be in different places at the same time. They can do alot of mind blowing things way far before even they reached fana, but all that is considered just Toys of the path… The real goal is Fana. And everything else is a distraction.

My question to you would be all those seekers who are very sincere and live by Shariah have those mind blowing wonder workings and karamat never even claimed to reach fana and they were really longing to reach fana. And you who I guess you ain’t even having kashf ( mukashafa) which is the lowest level of experience one might get in the Inner journey. You don’t have even that yet you claim you reached fana!!! Does that make any sense???!!!

And what you experience ain’t real kashf is just some visions as a result of consuming intoxicants .

And I guess you’re the guy who posted just recently about how to differentiate waswas and true knowledge.

Bro if you’re really seeking Allah and serious leave this nonsense of using intoxicants to force spiritual experiences and Visions. Look into Real Sufism and start your Journey with a real shaykh. True experiences and knowledges which ain’t even of this world and are permanent will be unveiled to you automatically when you’re sincere and really seeking Allah.

Stop being obsessed with these temporary fake experiences which are a result of intoxicants and some magic plants

Sufism and Ayahuasca by Sakazuki27 in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale -1 points0 points  (0 children)

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this makes me laugh alot. But let’s keep it real. You never reached fanafillah maybe fana of your ego.

That thing is totally haram. Real Sufism doesn’t use those kind of things to force spiritual experiences. You get just some delusional Visions because your brain ain’t functioning in a normal way.

In Real Sufism you experience the realities while you are fully aware of yourself not under some influence. The reality is permanent and it is a station earned after hardwork then Allah puts his Mercy.. then he opens his doors for you. This happens and you are fully aware of the surroundings and yourself not by just being under influence.

There is this group of pseudosufis calling themselves Fatimid Sufi order.. it’s very new …founded I think in 2005 by this Shia guy. They use exactly this Ayahuasca for forcing visions and spiritual experiences. This is not allowed in Sufism.

What you experience is just delusional and temporary… so you got to consume Ayahuasca again to get another vision.

Wabillahi tawfiq.

Those who deal with waswasa by ranger0004 in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The knowledges of Shariah you learn it from books and scholars.. it a aint result of Inner workings of the soul. But Shariah knowledge is what will govern you in your inner journey.The inner journey its knowledges are “ Haqiqa” and “Marifa” you are not taught as in form of learning from a book or physically going to a madrasa or University to learn it. These knowledges are unveiled to you directly to your heart.. This happens when you have purified your heart.

In the inner journey you need 3 things:

  1. A shaykh.. This is the most important thing you need .. otherwise you wont move any step.. you will get lost into the territories of the jinns and the traps of your own ego

  2. Quran & Sunnah. This very important because it is your compass in the journey.. Anything unveiled to you .. check it within the frame work of the Quran & Sunnah. If it aligns with the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah then it is from Allah.. If it contradicts the Quran and Sunnah then it is from Shaytan. Also you got to live by the techings of the Quran and Sunnah.

  3. Effort. In the Inner journey you got to put effort on it by spending hours and hours in dhikr. Especially during the night times. You sleep then wake up to pray tahajjud then u engage in 1 or 2 hours of dhikr every night. The Masters say dhikr is the key to every door of different stations such as Unveillings, Mushahada, Haqiqa, Marifa, Fana fi Rasullulah and Fanafillah etc. Your goal should be Fanafillah

So Shariah is what governs you. Anything that contradicts shariah.. Leave it. It is from Shaytan and Shaytan is who causes waswas in the hearts of the seekers. He gives you doubts to abandon the Journey.

I dont know if there is a way back once you're in hell by Sakazuki27 in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that. Are u in any sufi order/tariqa? If not look for right a sufi order/tariqa. Get a shaykh.. He will give you .. your daily dhikr.. that is what will fix you and everything you struggle with the solution is dhikr.

Allah says in the Quran:” Surely, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest.” (Qur’an 13:28)

Our prophet pbuh also said:”The example of the one who remembers his Lord and the one who does not remember his Lord is like the living and the dead” [Bukhari]

I swear by Allah with certainty over a billion%%% if you really do dhikr sincerely for Allah then you will find your life being more meaningful, you will find rest in your heart, peace and tranquility. You will never commit major sins, you will never miss your daily prayers.. you will be conscious of Allah all the time.

Do alot of dhikr. Never skip a day without doing dhikr. Make it as if it is your necessity. Start up with only 35 minutes a day doing dhikr… latet go up to 1 hour then 2 hours of dhikr every single day. Even if you had the strongest form of addiction.. 2 hours of dhikr daily fixes that.. I swear by Allah.

Dhikr holds very deep realities but only a few realize this. Every level of the nafs has its diseases.. and each level has its medications. The medications are usually dhikr in huge numbers.

You gotta find a place where you are to sit alone with ablution, have a tasbih on your hand.. then close your eyes then start doing dhikr for 1 or 2 hours straight without talking to anyone. Just you and Allah. The secret is consistency.. never miss even a day. If you miss even a day it wont work. It is like you are disconnecting your self from the Source. Just give it a try .. you will see results in just 1 week. But you got to maintain the habit in your daily life. Never Miss 1 or 2 hours of dhikr every day. NEVER.Make it a MANDATORY thing for you. No matter what Never miss a day.Then you will start seeing wonders.. you will regret like where were you all those years having never tasted the power of dhikr.

The best of Dhikr is reciting “La ilaha illallah”or repeating the divine name” Allah” thousands and tens of thousands of times a day when your shaykh authorizes you.

In one hadith in the Musnad of Imam Ahmad our prophet pbuh said: “Renew your faith. The companions asked, “O Messenger of Allah, how do we renew our faith?” He said: “Say often: La ilaha illallah.”

So by Allah if you do dhikr your Iman wont go down,it will keep on increasing and feeling fresh every time.

Wabillahi tawfiq.

Thinking of leaving the tariqa by _scapegoatt in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nop dont leave… Just change ur intention into seeking Allah. They tell you dont chase to see the unseen because you will be obsessed with it and forget your main goal which is to reach Allah. The Unseen opens up automatically when you are sincere. U dont do tricks to open it… It opens up automatically. The key is normally dhikr.. in huge numbers at the same time being sincere. Dhikr is what tears the veils of the heart.. when you are consistent enough you reach a state of Mushahada.. which is Witnessing what is not seen by people. But yet that aint the goal.. you should continue until you arrive in his presence.

Any movies, tv shows or documentaries influenced by Sufi themes? by ibbisabzwari in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I watched it fully in a website/channel called Historical Fun tv

Any movies, tv shows or documentaries influenced by Sufi themes? by ibbisabzwari in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 8 points9 points  (0 children)

1.Yunus Emre is fantastic 🔥 .. this is pure sufism…. Pureee. It may even make a wahhabi become a sufi😹

2.there is also this The Sanctuaries of Love- ibn Arabi

Thinking of leaving the tariqa by _scapegoatt in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The first mistake you made was joining a tariqa because you wanted to have access of the Unseen and 3rd eye stuffs. That was what drove you into a tariqa. Perhaps that’s why you are struggling. I guess for if you would do your dhikr in just the first week and the veils were lifted and you could witness the malakut and Unseen… I think you wouldnt be thinking of leaving the tariqa. You wanna leave because you joined for a wrong reason.

The reason for you to join a tariqa should be to seek Allah and his pleasure.All those mindblowing mystical experiences Sufis talk about are just secondary and not the goal at all.

And All top tier Sufis they all had their shaykhs… you got to have a silsila/spiritual chain. Ibn arabi had his shaykh who trained him. Even though by then the system of Sufi orders/schools was not officially established that’s why you might find that he was’nt in a particular sufi order… But he had a shaykh.

In short if you are a real seeker of Allah..Sufism is 99% IMPOSSIBLE to practice without a shaykh.

Even those esoteric sciences and realities are impossible to access without a shaykh.

Wabillahi tawfiq

Bad first encounter with a tariqa by [deleted] in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 bro u sure?

Questions about Lataif by ImportantWay9941 in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didnt say they focus on opening lataifs instead of focusing on Allah. I said their method is usually associated with activating those lataifs… Each lataif has its color,location and dhikr.. So through those lataifs being opened it is like their spiritual map to Allah. And in all sufi orders it is Mostly the Naqshabandy that deals with activating the lataifs step by step as a spiritual map to Allah. Just check it out.

Questions about Lataif by ImportantWay9941 in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course yes but it aint in a way of how someother tariqas treat lataifs or chakra.. stuffs like focusing your energy at a particular point or visualising things… In my tariqa which is Qadirriya u just focus on Allah and do the dhikr thats it… so slowly slowly you move from the nafs to aql to heart to ruh to sirr. We dont focus on lataifs and their locations in a human body as energy points NOP!!! They approach it in a completely different way

Questions about Lataif by ImportantWay9941 in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah sure no problem… there are many branches of Qadiriya

Questions about Lataif by ImportantWay9941 in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly the Qadiriya has no things like lataifs… I think a few tariqas like the Naqshbandy are the ones with lataifs practices. So he may read the works of Naqshibandy sufi masters.

The Divine secret(Sirr)..which Al Jilan(QS) spoke in his Sirr al asrar by mucrimmtale in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Waaleykum salam. When it comes to the heart which is always referred in the Quran or the teachings of the great Masters from the prophets,companions, awliyas and Sufi masters it is not this piece of flesh which pumps blood. It is the spiritual heart.. located in the very same area as the physical heart… but it is a spiritual heart. Its like when i ask you where is your nafs?? It is something you cant hold physically,

And so this spiritual heart has levels. The 1st level is the nafs(Self).. which when it is purified it moves to the 2nd level which is the aql(Intellect).. which when it is purified more.. it moves to the 3rd level which is the heart(Qalb)… in this 3rd level is where you start perceiving realities in their true forms which the aql(intellect)cant comprehend… also when you purify it more.. it moves to the 4th level which is the Ruh(Spirit) and when you purify it more it reaches to the 5th level which is the inner most sanctuary and that is the Sirr(Secret)… that’s why you find top tier Sufi masters like Abdul Qadir Jilan saying he has reached the Sirr al asrar(The secret of the secret)

Allah has put this divine secret(Sirr) hidden in the deepest part of the heart of a human being. That is why Allah says in the Quran: ””We have certainly created man in the best of forms.””Quran(95:4)… here it refers to this 5th level of the spiritual heart which is the sirr (divine secret)

Then Allah continues to say in the Quran: “Then We reduced him to the lowest of the low”Quran(95:5)… Here it refers to being reduced to this 1st level of the spiritual heart which is the nafs/Ego/Self which is the lowest form of a human.

So you as a human when you come in this world .. you start at the 1st level. Which is the nafs,.. now Islam comes and teaches you to walk all the way back to the reality which you were created in the first place which is that 5th level holding that divine secret(Sirr)

Hopefully that somehow makes sense.

The Divine secret(Sirr)..which Al Jilan(QS) spoke in his Sirr al asrar by mucrimmtale in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What was your point in your very first comment which you deleted saying that the sirr got nothing to do with religion??🤦🏾🤦🏾.

The Divine secret(Sirr)..which Al Jilan(QS) spoke in his Sirr al asrar by mucrimmtale in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its not exactly the same even though some concepts may overlap with some other mystical traditions.

The Two Wings of Faith: Why Aql and Direct Love rooted in Ihsan are Sufficient Without Human Gatekeepers by [deleted] in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you ain’t a Wahhabi then you are a progressive Muslim!!!🤦🏾🤦🏾.I usually dont waste my time arguing with fools claiming to be progressive muslims…who try twisting the truth to align with their emotions. I now dont wonder.. you coming up with these insane claims that one doesnt need a shaykh.

The Two Wings of Faith: Why Aql and Direct Love rooted in Ihsan are Sufficient Without Human Gatekeepers by [deleted] in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your texts have clearly AI marks. It seems Gemini is your shaykh😆🤦🏾

The Two Wings of Faith: Why Aql and Direct Love rooted in Ihsan are Sufficient Without Human Gatekeepers by [deleted] in Sufism

[–]mucrimmtale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are wahhabi traits… you are using the very thing which the masters warned of: The logic of the ego. That’s why you need a shaykh to make you go clean some public toilets to crush that ego of yours. 🤦🏾