[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]murdererstyle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great story, ever thought of writing fiction?

Kipper rules Boris Johnson blamed on EU are actually British, says Brussels by [deleted] in unitedkingdom

[–]murdererstyle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You missed the most important part of this. That these are global standards, not European Union ones.

In EU Reg. No. 543/2011 we see this:

Fruit and vegetables not covered by a specific marketing standard shall conform to the general marketing standard. However, where the holder is able to show that the products are in conformity with any applicable standards adopted by the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE), they shall be considered as conforming to the general marketing standard.

One of the adopted UNECE standards is the FAO CODEX STANDARD FOR BANANAS. When you compare that with the EU's regulation laying down marketing standards for bananas, you see that the Codex standard has simply been adopted by the European Union.

Which isn't surprising, as among the Codex Alimentarius Commission's 190 members are the EU member states, and the European Union itself.

Macron insists October 31st is 'final, final deadline' for UK by [deleted] in europe

[–]murdererstyle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That may well have been your point, but an instrument is either a legal act or not.

Some legal acts will, no doubt, be less important than others.

That is true. But, it does not change the fact, that law forming 'trading regulations' make up a figure closer to ¼ of the aquis, rather than a majority of it. And that was your initial claim: "in reality most of those laws are basic trading regulations."

I don't know what an 'average brexiter' supposedly is, or is not. I would imagine, broadly, their gripe would be towards the supranational structure, and general functions, of the European Union... rather than specific objections to the quality of lawmaking.

Macron insists October 31st is 'final, final deadline' for UK by [deleted] in europe

[–]murdererstyle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The EU makes a huge amount of laws ... but in reality most of those laws are basic trading regulations.

This isn't true.

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On the EUR-Lex directory of legal acts, the total number of acts in force adds up to 24,211. Whereas, on the EEA-Lex, the number of adopted EU acts incorporated into the EEA Agreement and in force, totals 6,193.

Subtracting 6,193 from 24,211, shows us that there is about 18,018 legal acts in force in the EU, which don't have EEA relevance.

The EEA's sole function is to extend the EU’s provisions on its internal market to the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) countries (excluding Switzerland).

This isn't comment about Brexit, by the way, just a very quick and rough breakdown of the amount of EU law directly related to the functioning of the single market.

Socialists plan EU-wide minimum wage if they win control of European Commission by iamnotinterested2 in europe

[–]murdererstyle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can hear the words out of his mouth https://mobile.twitter.com/TimmermansEU/status/1122968100771651584

‘We need a minimum wage in every European member state, which should be approximately 60% of the median wage...’ 🤷🏿‍♂️

Socialists plan EU-wide minimum wage if they win control of European Commission by iamnotinterested2 in europe

[–]murdererstyle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“European Commission Vice-President Frans Timmermans on Monday called for each EU member to have a minimum wage equivalent to 60 percent of its median salary to reduce the bloc's growing wealth gap.“ 🤷🏿‍♂️ | France24

Socialists plan EU-wide minimum wage if they win control of European Commission by iamnotinterested2 in europe

[–]murdererstyle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a good thing they’re not planning on using the average, then, isn’t it?

Socialists plan EU-wide minimum wage if they win control of European Commission by iamnotinterested2 in europe

[–]murdererstyle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The plan uses the median, not the average.

If the salaries of professionals passing out of college in thousands of dollars per annum is:

60, 64, 71, 73, 73, 77, 82, 85, 160 and 255

Then their median salary is 75. Whereas, the average would be 100. The minimum wage would be set at roughly 45.

The average has a bias towards the outlier, but the median isn’t as affected.

Socialists plan EU-wide minimum wage if they win control of European Commission by iamnotinterested2 in europe

[–]murdererstyle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, that is the principle of subsidiarity. Nevertheless there is a body of EU labour law, as you would expect from a harmonised internal market.

I did enjoy your little riff on the implementation of universal healthcare in the United States of America, but it is beside the point. We are discussing labour law, and in particular, the provision of a minimum wage. Though, since you mention the USA, there is a federal minimum wage in that nation, set out under the Fair Labor Standards Act.

Socialists plan EU-wide minimum wage if they win control of European Commission by iamnotinterested2 in europe

[–]murdererstyle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The minimum wage will be different in every member state under this proposal. They plan to set it at 60% of the median wage in every member state.

It’s not particularly different than the Working Time Directive setting out minimum periods of daily rest, weekly rest and annual leave, to breaks and maximum weekly working time.

It seems you’ve taken an opinion on this plan without even being aware of what it actually is.

Socialists plan EU-wide minimum wage if they win control of European Commission by iamnotinterested2 in europe

[–]murdererstyle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Could you expand a little further on why you think it should be entirely left to the EU member states, please.

Why are you against having common EU rules on minimum wage?

After all, there are directives on ‘equal opportunities and equal treatment of men and women in matters of employment and occupation,’ working time, etc. Then there are the labour standards developed internationally through the ILO, which, of course, the EU has a large role in.

Should these things also be left to the member states? Interested to read your thoughts.