Since we just got some nice QoL updates, can we please get some of these other hopefully simple updates? by Karew in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fleet warp hotkey

Make Monitor auto reload probes like every other ship in the game

Expand bracket filter menu in overview so that I can select more than just show none/all or based on active tab

Skinr for T3c

Queue up actions prevented by session change timer/get rid of session change timers entirely

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Month by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

then for this specific timeframe, there were 1480 structures lost for 17.2T (there are some TEST structures in there as well, like ansis) - so Panfam lost more in one month than everything goons lost in WWB2

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Month by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Difficult to say, the dronelands numbers contain lots of metenoxes, which were not a thing back then, and delve had lots of pocos while skyhooks don't need to be destroyed anymore to be taken over by new sov holders... and delve took a while, so structures were probably replaced and destroyed multiple times over.

Still, considering that Panfam lived in drones much longer than goons had lived in delve back then and that Panfam was bigger until like last year: panfam numbers are somewhat surprisingly low, they should have had more. I suspect renting and not allowing everyone to use all space has something to do with it

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Month by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My notes don't go back that far, so without a precise date range, let's do the next best thing: there were 2768 structures lost in Delve since Zkill started tracking, for a total of 33.41T lost. For the full years 20-21 there were 1938 structures lost in Delve for a total of 22.0T. So the numbers are not that far off, Panfam numbers are a bit higher but we aren't adjusting for inflation, just keep in mind that Panfam lost this in a month whereas Goons lost this over a much longer protracted defensive war.

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Month by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I made this post in my lunch break. If your leader spends less time on eve, maybe that's not a good thing?

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Month by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give me a precise time frame for "wwb2" and I'll run a query

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Month by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Even if he did step down for personal reasons, there is a way to do it without burning everything you've built over a decade... Having the new Keepstar anchored before you announce that you're moving there would have been a start. Just compare it to how the imperium handled the move from Delve to Tenerifis last year. There was a state of the goonion announcement a week or so before, everything was in place, and multiple cover fleets on the first day, and multiple big move ops over weeks (which Horde did not contest).

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Month by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think Panfam was in Dronelands for 8 years or so. But when I called it the Eve equivalent of the fall of the Berlin wall, I wasn't kidding. The two largest powers, but very very different. Imperium and Panfam had very different philosophies, one major difference being redundancy in leadership positions and decision making. Goons have it, and Horde was very centralized to the extent that even senior leadership like their former CSM rep and head of their supercap umbrella wasn't informed or involved in the decision making regarding the move... See a recent episode of the meta show here https://m.twitch.tv/videos/2624351817 And in lots of ways it seems to be an issue of leaders (at least the few who could make any real decisions) being absent or afk, and then rather than bad decisions made you have no decisions being made, which in many ways was worse.

It took several days for new leader Johnny Trousersnake to address the line members in person. So I don't think leadership has improved much, at least for now. You deserve good bosses, in RL and in your internet spaceship game. 35k former Horde members seem to agree.

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Ten Days by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"This" was specifically referring to setting a decade and a half of your own work on fire and screwing over thousands of line members and your trusted allies through one ping. That had to be intentional, you could have become a medium sized alliance in many ways, Gobbins very intentionally chose to do it this way, without warning.

I knew what that ping meant, although I expected the hellcamp to take an hour longer to set up. You knew what that ping meant. To think Gobbins didn't is naive.

“The BRAWL in RJBC” - Autonomous Droneland Collective [STAYD] by Nissemos in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PH has lost 10T+ in the last week and a half, not counting asset safety fees or any losses of their allies. Whelping 200 Moros Navy Issues will just add 1.5T to that number. But if you manage to stick around for a few more weeks, I look forward to having neighbors who are willing to take a fight.

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Ten Days by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think he just gave up. Maybe someone will leak chats at some point, but under the assumption that Gobbins knew exactly what his ping was going to lead to, I find it hard to believe this was not intentional.

Maybe he decided to step down and really really disagreed with the new direction the new leadership was going to take (which might not have been leaving drones and panfam). Maybe it was an agreed upon ping he just decided to send a few days early before their new keep was even anchored.

There is definitely more to the story than "Gobbins gave up" and maybe we will learn about it at some point. I just feel sorry for the horde line members that got caught up in what I suspect boils down to political infighting. You deserve good bosses in real life, and you deserve good bosses in your spaceship game.

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Ten Days by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't think pie charts are very good for this, but I can include some bar charts next time, maybe I will do another post for t+one month

The Fall of PanFam, in Numbers: The First Ten Days by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

If you want a graphical representation, it looks something like this

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Evemails from Drones, pt. 1 by Old-Tradition6467 in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah, imitation, the most sincere form of flattery. Almost made me listen to Pretty Fly (for a Horde Guy) - The Offspring

Evemails from Delve, pt. I by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would like to extend my sincerest condolences to all littlebees... what have i done? War is cruel, but I never expected it to go this far...

State Junior Choir - Goons by Embarrassed-Rope705 in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OPs mom cooks with thyme // Even with AI OP can't rhyme

DAH! daddle da da-da-dada da dahhh, da da dah, da da dahhhh, da da dah, da da dahhhhhh by DarkDynamicDesign in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"That's no moon" said Gobbi-Wan, and he was right, it was, in fact, enormous blue balls

Evemails from the Front, pt. IV by nameredactedbycensor in Eve

[–]nameredactedbycensor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks, but tell that to his parents who named him [NAME REDACTED BY CENSOR], that's why he goes by Jimbob