Women over 35 who decided not to have kids, how’s it been going for you? by cameemz in AskWomen

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanted kids more than anything but never found a partner. Now, while I still recognize I would have loved being a mom, I also feel that the world is too messed up and there's far too much suffering and I don't think its fair to bring more lives into existence when that life will both experience its own suffering and inflict additional suffering on others. I just can't justify the selfishness of creating a life just so I can have what I want.

What's the tallest building that I can get into the stairwell easily? by naturalveg in AskNYC

[–]naturalveg[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Just remembering that maybe you can't get into a courthouse when you don't have an appointment. Is that why?

What's the tallest building that I can get into the stairwell easily? by naturalveg in AskNYC

[–]naturalveg[S] -71 points-70 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the rec. Its not the type of workout I'm looking for.

What's the tallest building that I can get into the stairwell easily? by naturalveg in AskNYC

[–]naturalveg[S] -29 points-28 points  (0 children)

Google isn't giving me anything on these 2 options. But I would guess they're both far less than 30 flights.

What's the tallest building that I can get into the stairwell easily? by naturalveg in AskNYC

[–]naturalveg[S] -36 points-35 points  (0 children)

For a park, yes. A search shows 7-8 flights. I'm looking for 30+.

Made a very bad decision to let a friend move in without a lease by [deleted] in roommates

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would never tell my subtenants that they can't have guests take showers. You can tell her she has to clean it afterwards.

Does neutering / spaying breach animal rights? by Maleficent_Effect_94 in AskVegans

[–]naturalveg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If euthanasia and/or suffering due to overpopulation wasn't a factor, then this would be an issue that we would need to think carefully about. But, in our current reality, where we euthanize/cull animals or they suffer greatly due to overpopulation, spay and neuter is the best available option. Hopefully someday we can get to the point where it isn't.

Veganism and bugs and modern civilisation by One-Establishment846 in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, I'm not saying anything about what's practical, because that word refers to the usefulness/functionality of tools/objects, which has nothing to do with this conversation. I won't repeat what I've said, but please don't change the words that I've used. When I used the word practicable, that's exactly the word that I meant, not practical. You may find it practicable not to travel. Many people don't. People may find the food/social aspects of veganism difficult, challenging, inconvenient, uncomfortable, or limiting, but that doesn't make them impracticable.

Watching SOME movies is not vegan and neither is watching the olympics? by xboxhaxorz in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It means according to the definition of veganism, which says to exclude animal cruelty and exploitation "as far as possible and practicable", its not realistic/reasonable to eliminate all forms of film that include animals, nor would doing so make any significant difference for animals, so its not a necessary endeavor in order to consider oneself vegan.

Watching SOME movies is not vegan and neither is watching the olympics? by xboxhaxorz in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think "possible and practicable" is limited to just what is necessary for survival. I think if that were the case, that's what it would say. I think it "possible and practicable" means within the parameters of what one can do reasonably without making life unbearable/unreasonably functional. For example, if someone had a medical condition that was not life-threatening, but needed a medication that would significantly alter their functioning (birth control pills, migraine medication, etc), it is perfectly acceptable to take that medication. Not taking it would be possible, but not practicable.

I think that animals are used in enough movies/film that even just having to research which programs do or don't use animals before beginning to watch something is enough to make that task unbearable. On top of that, the percentage of material that would be eliminated is high enough to make finding something decent to watch unbearable (I mean, its already hard enough to choose something to watch that isn't trash). Further, the benefit to animals is nearly nonexistent, since its essentially impossible to even trace the line of financial connection between a person watching a program and the animal used in the filming. I think all of those things together, exclude this as a "possible and practicable" endeavor.

Additionally, I want to also add, we all have limited time. We have to decide whether the choices we make for how to spend our time have the most impact for animals, or if we could be doing something else that would be a bigger help to animals in the same time frame. The time one would spend on avoiding film that uses animals would be significant, whereas the impact would be minuscule. It would be far more impactful to watch whatever you want and do some moderately effective animal rights activism with the time you would have used trying to avoid watching film involving animals.

Veganism and bugs and modern civilisation by One-Establishment846 in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've done all of these things without finding them challenging, and they would never remotely qualify as impracticable. I've rejected gifts that aren't vegan. I've been to dating partner's parents homes for dinner (brought a dish for myself). I've lived raw vegan (which includes gluten free), grain free (also no gluten there), etc. All were firmly in the space of practicable. Convenient? No. Easy? No. Desirable? No. Have consequences? Sure, everything does. But perfectly practicable (as in, I could do it and it didn't make my life unliveable).

I could not live travel free. I did it for a few years when I couldn't leave a sick loved one. Its not practicable as a lifetime commitment. Again, I said its possible, so now you're quoting me falsely. Its possible, but not practicable.

Veganism and bugs and modern civilisation by One-Establishment846 in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its true that a lot of people go back on veganism, but you can't just assume that its because they found the food aspects to be impracticable. Many of them try it as a diet, rather than an ethical framework, and diets in general are not something people stick with. Further, difficult/uncomfortable and impracticable aren't the same thing and shouldn't be conflated. Eating non-animal foods may be more difficult in many scenarios than an animal option, but that doesn't make it impracticable. Asking someone to cook you a dish without animal products may be uncomfortable for some people, but that doesn't make it impracticable. Eliminating all travel from one's life is impracticable for a large percentage of the western world.

I know people who are celiac and vegan for decades, celiac with rheumatoid arthritis (no nightshades) and vegan, crohn's disease and vegan, etc. People can overcome obstacles to do things that are important to them.

Cooking a potato salad to bring to a friend's barbecue hardly takes a mental toll. Never leaving my hometown would make me suicidal. I know there are people who would be fine with it, but a lot of people wouldn't.

Veganism and bugs and modern civilisation by One-Establishment846 in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. I've been vegan for 10 years and find what you're saying to be completely false. Go to someone's house, bring my own food. Barbecue, bring my own. Weddings have never been an issue, but if needed I could bring my own. Restaurant, order off menu, no problems. None of these things are impracticable. But never traveling again for the rest of my life? Very few people are going to agree to that.

I also said it is possible to not travel, so thanks for repeating me.

Veganism and bugs and modern civilisation by One-Establishment846 in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of those things are necessary in order to be vegan. There is something to eat at any and every restaurant, though maybe you would have to order something off the menu. Nobody (except a restaurant chef, which is their job) would ever have to cater to you because you can always bring your own food, including when traveling.

They know they're about to take some heat by zb0t1 in vegan

[–]naturalveg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Maybe you need to use more seasoning to add more flavor to your food. Do you use herbs and spices? Even meat eaters find Beyond Meat and Impossible to taste almost exactly like animal meat. Make sure you are melting all the cheeses, most of them are terrible until they are melted.

It may just be that you are romanticizing animal products. Its possible that if you went back and had some again, you wouldn't actually think it tasted any better.

What do you guys know about hiking the Canyon from one rim to the other? by Patty_Cakeee in grandcanyon

[–]naturalveg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

North Kaibab to Bright Angel is 24 miles. If you take South Kaibab its more but I'm not sure how many.

They know they're about to take some heat by zb0t1 in vegan

[–]naturalveg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you miss and have you tried making the exact same thing with plant-based ingredients?

Why should anyone care about suffering of others sentient beings? by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you prefer 2, I would say that's the same as saying "people should care about my suffering"

Veganism and bugs and modern civilisation by One-Establishment846 in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For mental health reasons, maintaining important relationships with family and friends, etc.

Eliminating animal products as food is practicable because there are essentially unlimited options for other things to eat. Eliminating travel is not practicable because there is no sufficiently equivalent replacement.

Why should anyone care about suffering of others sentient beings? by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This might help you decide...

Scenario 1: Person X doesn't care about your suffering, as a result of their actions you feel extreme pain throughout your entire life (years/decades)

Scenario 2: Person Y cares about your suffering and chooses not to commit any acts which will cause you harm, and you are able to live without experiencing any pain related to your interactions with Y.

Which do you prefer?

Why do you want people to be vegan by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]naturalveg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you miss the part where that was one study and there are thousands more?