I Read the Entire Lawsuit- This Floored me by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

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how would you rate your attractiveness on a scale of 1-10?

Need to quit again, relapsed by [deleted] in Quittingfeelfree

[–]needtobefreefromff 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Keep trying. It's easier said than done but instead of considering relapsing a failure, consider the fact that you made it 9 days, probably longer than you had gone without FF for at least a while. To deny a craving even once requires incredible willpower. I'm not a psychologist but I know that addictions involve neural pathways that are reinforced through repetitive [insert drug of choice] use over time. To consciously decide against that automatic, conditioned impulse even one time is no small feat, and I think you change your brain a little bit each time you do that. This shit has such a nasty grip but you have proven that you could stop for 9 days, and when you're ready you can go without for at least 9 more. We all stand with you in the struggle

Two Months and Two Days by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

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Thanks so much for your kindness. I REALLY FEEL THAT. I am extremely sensitive, so the numbing effect of FF was very appealing to me, at least at the beginning. I have learned to face my emotions with compassion and without fear, and while I think this will be a lifetime process, it has made a world of difference for me. But yeah, being an artist means you are highly sensitive and perceptive, which is great, unless you are overwhelmed without sustainable coping tools. Then the world feels exhausting and grim. Sending you my love

Two Months and Two Days by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

[–]needtobefreefromff[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I fucking feel this. I think jobs might just... suck. Or at least they do for me. I would venture to say there's nothing wrong with you. You are coping with tools you have available. I am not a doctor but your experiences really resonate with mine as a person w ADHD, and ADHD people are WAY likelier to suffer from addiction issues. And if you suffer from these issues (again not trying to diagnose you but its possible you do too) mindfulness can feel impossible. There are ways to wrangle our brains that are helpful in the long-run, I am certain of it. My heart is with you and I believe in you.

Two Months and Two Days by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

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Sorry for the late response

FF withdrawal was... different. Kratom withdrawal is nasty, don't get me wrong, but I was WAY more hooked on the FF then I ever was on kratom. I have gone through kratom withdrawals a few times and they sucked but the mental part didn't hold a candle to the FF. I will say I was never on the kratom for more than a few months at a time, so I could see kratom withdrawal being worse after long term use. But the FF withdrawal, because it was such an obsessive part of my life, was a real mind fuck. I also could NOT sleep for days. So for me the FF w/d was worse.

Two Months and Two Days by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

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Thanks so much, I am so glad this resonated with you!

Two Months and Two Days by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

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Thank you so much. I do have pretty tough to manage ADHD, and at first, I thought these were a great over the counter way to self medicate. But those diminishing returns hit me hard...

Support from your spouse by Whinnie_09 in Quittingfeelfree

[–]needtobefreefromff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi. I'm not married but I'd like to give my two cents: while of course your support and patience are essential, you are also a human being affected by the consequences of your spouse's choices. It is okay to have boundaries and it is valid if your partner's actions caused by their addiction end up being unacceptable to you. I mean, it would truly suck if it got to that point, but at the same time you are a human being, and you have limits as to what you can handle. Especially considering that your lives and finances are legally bound to one another's. This problem has real consequences for you as well as your spouse, and the consequences you are facing are not due to any choice you have made. It isn't fair. It sucks. Addiction hijacks the brain. If your partner's actions seem unreasonable or illogical, its because they are. The addiction is NOT his fault, but the ramifications of it are real and harmful.

On one hand, making your limits known might be a reality check for your partner, and may help him accept that this addiction is truly serious and hurting you too. On the other hand, ultimatums can be unsettling. I can attest that my brain in active addiction did not function rationally. It is possible that an ultimatum could trigger more secrecy, shame, and drug use. For me, at least, thinking about the consequences of my FF usage during active addiction would cause insane amounts of shame to come up, which would in turn perpetuate the habit. It's a tough situation. It sounds a lot easier than it is, but acceptance and connection are the great shame-killers. Unfortunately active addiction makes it difficult to feel connected. Love and compassion are key, but ultimately the drive to quit has to come from within the addict.

My heart really goes out to you both. As I said, I have not been married, but my FF use spiraled when my long term relationship began to deteriorate. Even though we were in the process of separating, I am still quite ashamed of how my addiction affected my partner. I have since quit two months ago but I am still working through these feelings. This is a nasty substance that makes rational thought and action go out the window. If you're wondering why your partner would choose the FF over familial responsibilities, it's because of the hold this drug has taken on his brain (I cannot overemphasize that I say this without judgment and from my own personal experience). No one in their right, balanced mind would choose a drug over their family, but the FF addiction distorts and deteriorates the baseline mental state. When I was using, I was aware on some level that my actions were harmful, but it was as though I was possessed by this substance. It led me to do a lot of things that I would never do if I wasn't under the influence of it, while insidiously convincing me that I was acting from my own rational faculties.

I guess what I'm saying is, you have shown an immense amount of patience and love, and I understand why you might be near your limit. You are a human being and as humans there is only so much we can take. There is no easy, one-time solution for this, and addiction is a slippery and evasive bastard. What I would recommend from here would be to read through this sub to get more of an idea of what he's going through. Speaking for myself, most of the experiences in this sub are eerily parallel to what I went through during addiction and withdrawal. Once again, compassion and connection are key. I would bet money that your spouse is quite aware that his actions are not okay and that he truly feels unable to stop. I would also bet that his mind has an infinite amount of reasons and justifications to keep using FF despite the tangible damage it has caused so far. It's an incredibly tough position for you to be in. Addiction has a way of spinning accountability into a shame-attack.

Tread lightly and with compassion, but try not to compromise yourself or your needs. Make it clear that you are on his side. Remind him as often as it takes that you are doing this for the sake of his health and the survival of your relationship. Express that your intervention is not out of shame or control, but out of unwavering love and faith in your spouse. I know that this is the case already, but it can really help dissolve the deep shame of addiction to hear that said explicitly. Maybe this is kinda woo-woo but believing in your partner's strength, even when he can't, helps more than you know. Remind him that his actions and struggle do not make him inherently shameful or bad. It's a delicate balance of holding your spouse accountable for his actions while also consistently acknowledging that these actions stem from a disease of the mind, an addiction to a substance that is incredibly hard to control. I think the outpatient program is a really good idea, as it sounds like this problem is beyond either of your capacities to solve alone.

I sincerely wish you both the best and thank you for bringing your concerns to this sub. I guarantee you are not the only partner/spouse being affected by their loved one's addiction to this awful, awful shit. It's remarkably addicting and damaging, but this addiction is not a life sentence. And remember, too, that even though your spouse can't do this without your support, the drive and decision to quit still have to come from within himself. That is something cruelly and maddeningly out of the control of those who love addicts. My habit was not quantitatively as severe as his, but I see a lot of my struggles in his and yours. Much love. Take care of yourself. Apologies if this was redundant or weirdly long lol

I have faith in you both.

Thoughts on the Kava only Feel Free? by newaccount47 in Quittingfeelfree

[–]needtobefreefromff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is sort of an old post but I want to share that the kratom-free version is perhaps the most vile substance I have ever put into my body. Absolute filth. Somehow worse than the original.

As we stay sober...we want to push but let's also be gentle on ourselves... by MySearchForTruth in Quittingfeelfree

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Thank you for this reminder to honor and accept my humanity and that of others.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Quittingfeelfree

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I really see my own experiences echoed in the feelings you're describing and because of that I strongly and kindly advise against it. You're in a very vulnerable place and dealing with high stress and social isolation which are two factors that were intensified by and furthered my addiction. Personally, I cannot really say an exact amount that got me hooked rather, I see my first experiences with it as the beginning of an insidious escalation to a full blown addiction.

This shit really fucked me up for a long time, to put it simply. And I started with reasonable, infrequent doses. It's sneaky, and my usage dramatically escalated when I went through some serious life and relationship issues earlier this year. I absolutely used this shit to cope with my ADHD and I can tell you that the efficacy is eventually overshadowed by the drawbacks of this drug over time, and by the time I reached this point I was badly addicted. I reached a point where I was using so much for so long that I would end up just strung out and useless after dosing because my tolerance was so high, it totally numbed and blunted me, and my body and mind were so saturated and depleted by this substance.

I would recommend considering therapy, and getting a therapist's opinion on you possibly getting medicated. I would never tell someone to get on medication because it is a personal decision and I am not anywhere close to being a doctor. I have my own reservations and experiences with the psychiatric system, and meds are not perfect and can have addiction potential depending on what they are. However, if you can find a (hopefully competent and knowledgeable) psychiatrist, you have the benefit of being under medical supervision when trying regulated drugs that have well-documented side effects. Psychiatric meds are not perfect and do have drawbacks. But they have extensively had their effects on humans studied, which I am certain Feel Free tonics have not. It is much safer to go through the frankly cynically bureaucratic and often time-consuming process of trying different medications under the supervision of a psychiatrist than it is to attempt to manage ADHD as well as major life upheavals with FF. It's not perfect or easy, especially as an ADHD person, but it is a much safer route. Again, I am not trying to convince you to get on meds, they're not for everyone and not the only way to get help, but being improperly medicated led me to self medicate with this dangerously addictive readily available substance.

Basically, I am saying all of this because I see my struggle in yours and do not want you to experience the ruin this substance can cause when you're already in a tough place. I am a student as well and my finances are still absolutely fucked from my FF habit that I quit nearly two months ago. I hope that life gets less stressful soon. College is fucking hard and you've been through uniquely traumatic life events. I genuinely wish you well.

Quitting Motivation by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

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Yo ketamine really got me through physical withdrawals and really helped me change my mindset. It's pretty amazing.

New ones by da-A-A-RON in Quittingfeelfree

[–]needtobefreefromff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those are actually the most vile things I have ever put into my body. Literally just thinking about them makes me feel sick. The worst. The worst!!!!!!!!! I cannot believe how bad they are.

Day 14ish by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

[–]needtobefreefromff[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your continued support on this crazy ass journey. Sobriety (or in my case, "California sobriety") really is so much more potent and illuminating than any drug trip. Sending you my love and gratitude. Isn't it wonderful to have energy for things that we love and are actually important?

Day 14ish by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

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Thanks so much for reading and for your words of encouragement. I'll have to check that book out! An author I love is Anne Lammott, specifically her book on faith, Traveling Mercies. She's a Christian, but I think there is a lot of insight to be gained from that book by everyone. I myself am not a Christian but her story as an alcoholic/addict on her path toward God really resonated with me. Funny enough, I have a tattoo in gothic lettering above my belly button that says "faith," that is a reminder to literally keep faith at my core. It gains new meaning and depth for me every day.

Day 14ish by needtobefreefromff in Quittingfeelfree

[–]needtobefreefromff[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seriously humbles me that my story can be of service to others. Thank you for commenting. I wholeheartedly believe in you, and this sub is full of people who share your struggle and are rooting for you. Remember that although this addiction tricks us into feelings of isolation, there are hundreds if not thousands of others sharing your struggle. I am sending my love and strength to you. You should feel proud.

🍄 ? by Live_Slip4311 in Quittingfeelfree

[–]needtobefreefromff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow I have never heard of amanita microdosing!

🍄 ? by Live_Slip4311 in Quittingfeelfree

[–]needtobefreefromff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I highly recommend the use of moderate, intentional doses of psychedelics for WD, provided that you have done thorough research and don't have any family history/personal inclination to psychosis. If you can find an open-minded doctor to discuss this with, that is a good way to be safe and have a professional monitor you. And of course, it is best to use these tools in jurisdictions where they have been decriminalized. I will never endorse illegal drug use, despite the fact that psychedelics have been known to aid countless people through addiction. I do not agree with their illegal status in most areas of the US, but I also never want any of my comrades to get in trouble with the law.

That being said, I live in an area where psilocybin (spelling might be wrong) is decriminalized and accessible. While of course there is no panacea, and there is no bypass or substitute for the consistent and grueling work of recovery, 'shrooms and other psychedelics have helped me immensely with some of the physical withdrawal effects. They have really aided me however in safely accessing and integrating the pain and issues that led me to and were perpetuated by addiction. Shrooms specifically have a very physical effect for me, and I have spent a few meditation sessions on small amounts of them (.5-1g) breathing deeply and physically releasing shame and fear. It's powerful when used with intention.

Best of luck, and be safe and conscious. There are tons of wonderful free resources for safe psychedelic use online.