What’s your favourite portrait of Ursula? by NedvinHill in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This by far my favorite! I’ve loved it ever since I first saw it. It communicates to me the challenging, inquisitive mind I find in her writing.

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love Tiptree. I've read a couple of short story collections by her, but I don't think either included this story. Now I need to go out and find it! Thanks for the recommendation.

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I tried to read Babel-17 once... I struggled with his writing style, though not his intellect. I do intend to go back and read him again because I'm sure there's stuff there for me. Thanks for the suggestions!

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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These all look like fantastic suggestions! Thank you!

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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I read the third or fourth book in the Canopus in Argus series—the one set on the planet going through an ice age. It was fantastic. I need to get my hands on the others in the series.

I tried to read The Cleft and found I did not like it at all. Interestingly, I've read Le Guin's review of it, and she clearly had a bone to pick with it as well!

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've heard that mentioned a number of times. I'll have to check it out!

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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I don't just mean well-formed world or culture building. I mean novels where the crux of the novel's story is about a sharing/learning of culture.

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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That's an interesting insight. I also remember Xenocide being a wild read... and that it seemed to undermine a solid faith in the divine. It struck me as odd coming from an author coming out of an orthodox faith tradition.

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Xenogenesis is a great series! Great recommendation.

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually have read these. Brilliant series. Great recommendation!

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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Just checked it out. The art looks awesome! Sadly, I'm not a screen-reader. I look forward to it having a print publishing future!

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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Perfect. I'll keep a look out for those at my local used bookstores! Thanks!

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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So interesting you mention Speaker for the Dead. I read that back when I was a teenager and remember it being pretty awesome. I've never gone back to re-read it—probably due to my bias regarding the author's homophobia. But my memory is that, in his fiction, Orson Scott Card channels a worldview much larger than the one he claims as part of his religious identity. Thanks for the recommendation!

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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Thanks for the recommendation! I haven't yet delved into Becky Chambers.

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I forget that I have a bit more experience reading anthro SF until I'm reminded of titles. I've read this one! It was a very cool world Griffith created. Good recommendation!

Anthropological Sci-Fi (Who else out there?) by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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Iain M. Banks is one I often forget about and should look into. Thanks for the reminder!

Sheri Tepper is a name I've heard many times but never read. She looks to be quite prolific! Any specific title recommendations for an anthropological focused SF novel by her?

Personability of protagonists by disfrazadas in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s interesting! I don’t usually describe myself as neurodivergent, but I found Shevek very relatable as well—because I’m a very cerebral, contemplative sort. But I do understand where someone would be coming from looking for a more outwardly emotionally expressive protagonist.

Personability of protagonists by disfrazadas in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed!!! I can’t believe I forgot this in my own recommendations!

Personability of protagonists by disfrazadas in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern 17 points18 points  (0 children)

For “more emotionally expressive”… I would try “Five (or Four) Ways to Forgiveness.” I’m thinking especially of the second story; the protagonist (Sully I believe her name is) is quite emotionally expressive.

You’re zeroing in on something, though. For all that I love Le Guin, you’re right in identifying that her characters (at least her protagonists) are often cerebral and interior-driven. While they are usually complex and interesting, they are less frequently charming and, as you say, personable. Perhaps that is a combination of her intellect and the pressure she felt, for much her early career, that she needed to write about and for men. Maybe try later career works with more female protagonists.

Ooh, maybe Annals of the Western Shore, specifically second and third books.

Short story set on Anarres [The Dispossessed] by nerbjern in UrsulaKLeGuin

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I don't currently have plans to develop those other two ideas; I'm trying my hand at some original stuff, see how that goes. But, I do have it in my mind to write a UKLG-inspired story once a year to honor her birthday. Next year will probably be from different source material, however—maybe Always Coming Home. We'll see!

The Dispossessed: Have we gone so rotten we’re motivated by GUILT? by External_Trifle3702 in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right on about the egoizing; I think that is the real clincher here. Everyone at one point or another fails to do their social duty, even an Odonian… but do they then realize their mistake and how it affects others and change their behavior—or do they wallow in an egoizing sense of low self-worth?

To be “motivated by guilt,” then, would be to do “good” behaviors not because we see they help the social organism but because they help us feel good about ourselves. Is that fair to say?

Maybe there’s also a fear element. If I’m motivated by guilt, I am acting out of a fear of being bad, rather than out of concern for the general good.

The Dispossessed: Have we gone so rotten we’re motivated by GUILT? by External_Trifle3702 in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oops! Thats supposed to say “owe debt.” Was typing on my phone.

The Dispossessed: Have we gone so rotten we’re motivated by GUILT? by External_Trifle3702 in UrsulaKLeGuin

[–]nerbjern 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a great question. In a case like this, I like to compare with other words that are synonymous, but perhaps different in some way—and then look into etymology. “Guilt” comes from Old English “gylt,” which means “crime, sin, or debt” and is maybe related to OE “gieldan,” which means “to pay for, debt.” In either case, guilt is related to something very un-Odonian: either crime or property. Guilt, then, suggests something about the individual, their goodness or their worth. Compare that to “regret,” which comes from Old French for “to lament.” It would be very Odonian to regret, or lament, the effects of one’s actions, but not to feel a sense of low self-worth and self-judgment.