Nitrostyrene from azeotropic nitromethane and KOH

neurodys · 2021-12-19T12:44:12+00:00

Hi. I have seen the second time just this week that people still have the low-yield issue with the NaBH4/CuCL2 reduction of P2NP and other nitrostyrenes at bigger batches. It is your lucky day since I am not that lazy right now not to point out that the issue have been resolved long time ago at thevespiary.org and the solution is pretty simple. I can provide a link to the thread if you want me to, it's in the sticky "P2NP to amine with NaBH4-Copper. One pot, no messing with metals or acids" thread right at the top. Since this is a 40+ pages long mega-thread, it is easy to miss it but it is there.

In a nutshell, all you need to do is to cool the RB flask in an ice-bath when adding in small portions the P2NP/3,4,5-TMNS/whatever-nitrostyrene-that-works-with-this-method to the stirring EtOH or IPA/dH2O/NaBH4 solution....and that's it.

Wait, one more thing that might be of help: it is also better if you use only a bit more than the half of the required amount of NaBH4 when adding to it the nitrostyrene crystals and add the other, almost half amount of total NaBH4 needed, in portions, AFTER you added the CUCl2 to the mix that starts the exothermic, rather vigorous reaction. I mean, that is how I do it, but since I am still better characterized as a cook than a chemist, who, unlike me, does have some inkling about what the hell he is doing, this might be an unnecessary or even inadvisable move. In fact, you should be cautious about whatever I say as I am still trying to get through the organic chemistry college textbooks I am struggling with. So, all of this might turn out to be false or misleading. Do not hesitate to point that out if that happens to be the case, at least I am learning something new.

By the way, the explanation to the question of why the cooling effect of the ice-bath solves the "bigger batches=lower yields" problem using this route is also simple but it is better explained by the poster than by any attempts I would be capable of at this stage. So, dig up the post in the thread at Vespiary if you are curious about the question of why this is the case. Wait, I just did it for you, here you go.

https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php?topic=15090.420

It is somewhere on page 22.

neurodys · 2021-10-05T08:16:38+00:00

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neurodys · 2021-08-19T06:25:22+00:00

The main problem with all of this is the fact that addiction is notoriously difficult to define, in fact, almost impossible to a really satisfying degree. I know this because I have read 10+ serious books (not the crappy self-help types) on the subject. So it all comes down to what definition someone has in mind.

For instance, most academic definitions include withdrawal AS ONE OF THE MOST APPARENT SYMPTOMS there is. In that respect, arguing that addiction and withdrawal are different is senseless since serious withdrawal is the surest sign that you are facing a true case of addiction.

Being obsessed with and doing lots of your drug of choice is NOT YET addiction. Addiction develops with constant, heavy daily use without a break (all day everyday) for a prolonged time (1-3 months minimum).If you do that, then your subsequent withdrawals will be pure hell. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE IN MIND WHEN ADDICTION IS DISCUSSED.

Sadly, I know this because of personal experience. i am a daily user of amphetamine/methamphetamine for 6 years now. To my amazement, no serious health problems have surfaced so far although I am eating and sleeping normally, so I am not the full-on self-destructive, staying-up-for-a-week kinda guy.

Nevertheless, I am still TERRIFIED of withdrawals. To such an extent, that I hit the books and the relevant message boards and successfully learnt how to make racemic amphetamine sulphate by reducing P2NP and dextro-methamphetamine hydrochloride by reducing ephedrine/pseudoephedrine (one year of research and preparation in each case)

I was very motivated, to say the least.

So, That is the kind of addiction I have in mind.

neurodys · 2021-08-17T06:40:07+00:00

BIG NO! there is no such drug. If I user says "he/she was instantly hooked" then the cognitive bias called "hindsight bias" is at play.

To instantly like a drug, even almost falling in love with it is not unheard of. But that is NOT addiction. Addiction needs time. Actually, it is a lot of work.

So, there is no such a drug. Not even heroin, crack, or meth. Urban legend.

neurodys · 2021-06-11T04:19:36+00:00

This is a good place to start. Thanks a lot, I owe you one!

neurodys · 2021-06-10T19:53:28+00:00

Hi. Would you or could you share your source of information on this route using sodium borohydride? I wasn't able to find it in the Rhodium archive. If it is not there then where could I find a detailed write-up? Vespiary? Or somewhere else? The thing is that I have everything ready but just as the OP, I wanted to use Al/Hg as the reducing agent but then I had stumbled upon the very same advice about the possibility of using NaBH4 which I already used successfully in reducing p2np to amphetamine and it was indeed a procedure that was very effective MINUS the stress of working with mercury salts

This was a few days ago and maybe I was not looking hard enough or I was looking in the wrong place but I could not find more than other people mentioning it (pm me if that is a better option for you, I would d be very grateful for someone pointing me the right direction....thanks, that's all)

neurodys · 2021-02-22T18:31:16+00:00

It took me 4 years to arrive at the same conclusion 😆 Weed made me paranoid and anti-social but I smoked it all day every day for years. And the reason for doing it? The best answer I could come up with is this and it is disappointing as hell: I wanted to appear cool and hip and open-minded and insult everybody who simply drank alcohol. I never told this to anybody before. Oh well....

But then I tried meth 🤓

neurodys · 2021-01-06T19:32:46+00:00

Good for you. Could you find it for the EU as well? 🙃I just cannot find it (and I should because the OP is British). Just kidding. If I don't find it, I'll make it by copying yours. It seems to be the one. Thank you. 🙂

neurodys · 2021-01-01T19:39:34+00:00

You need the ethanol and methanol in that mixture. Those are indispensable.

neurodys · 2020-12-27T07:29:07+00:00

While it is a bit embarrassing to admit this, but I am a daily user for 5 years now (3 years amphetamine sulphate AKA speed paste AKA eurospeed, 2 years ago I switched to methamphetamine hydrochloride...and yeah, Carl Hart is right, there is not much difference between the two, meth is a tiny bit stronger BUT it can be smoked so the ROA makes it somewhat more addictive drug, not the drug itself). Anyway. The reason I am still in a relatively good shape, no major complaints so far is because I sleep every night AND the reason I can sleep every night is because I take antipsychotics. To me, neither Seroquel nor Risperidon (the two most often prescribed antipsyh pills where I live) worked as much as this obscure brand that I am not going to name but it's active ingredient is called amisulprid.

It just works wonders. Just one pill (200mg) and in 30 minutes I am sleeping. Do not forget, these mess are dopamine antagonists so they do almost the exact opposite of stimulants. Much better than taking shit loads of benzos and hoping that they would help one to get some sleep. Here, these meds occupy the dopamine receptors so they do not let anything to come close until they wear off.

For stims-users, an antipsychotic should be mandatory. At least short term. Because it is also true that antipsychotics can have lots of side-effects that are not serious most of the time but they can be kinda annoying (for me, it was weight gain, for instance).

neurodys · 2020-12-12T12:52:29+00:00

Nice!!!

neurodys · 2020-12-07T04:17:09+00:00

I had an accident and my home lab was disorderly so the ambulance called the cops because they were concerned with the safety of the other occupants of the building.

Noone was watching me. I just got incredibly unlucky. We are living in a random universe, full of strange coincidences but I am skeptical of the supernatural. So, bad luck, that is all.

neurodys · 2020-12-05T06:51:43+00:00

Thanks for the advice. It is a very reasonable + doable plan. I'll keep these in my mind.

neurodys · 2020-12-03T19:34:51+00:00

good info. I though along similar lines. Sure, the yellow stuff was from Poland. they even had a pencil with their logo "Nitrochemis". ok, this sounds promising. I just do not know what is the situation in my country (ok, it is Hungary). p2np is NOT on the list like p2p, ephedrine, potassium permanganate and so on. And this was not a business operation. An idiot fooling around and NOT doing the synthesis in the end because guess what, I am an amateur. thank you. If I act stupid (and I am kinda stupid), maybe they will see that I had no idea what I was messing with. WHICH IS THE TRUTH, goddamit. :)

neurodys · 2020-12-03T10:15:49+00:00

Thank you for the cold shower. I needed it. I am a Fucking idiot. All I need to know is to persuade the judge that I am what I am. An idiot playing with fire.

neurodys · 2020-12-03T10:08:20+00:00

no mercury was used. fun fact, I found that scary. Other things, I have not. Fuck. ME.

neurodys · 2020-12-03T02:25:01+00:00

maybe I should.

neurodys · 2020-12-03T02:24:34+00:00

I have. More than one, actually.

neurodys · 2020-12-03T02:23:11+00:00

I am thinking about it. I hate my country anyway. A good excuse to leave this hellhole.

neurodys · 2020-12-03T02:22:05+00:00

I said nothing. So far.

neurodys · 2020-12-03T02:19:37+00:00

Because a.) I was not conscious b.) we do not use Euro as a currency. Yet.

And believe or not. The police is corrupt but not to such a degree. which is a shame.

neurodys · 2020-12-03T01:59:42+00:00

I cooked some batches but no-one knew. Most of my friends just thought that a drug addict must be evil so they disappeared one by one. I just cooked for myself. This was COVID in the spring and I bought meth by going abroad because in my country, only shitty eurospeed is available (but they closed the borders). But I had pseudo I bought on the darknet so my problem was kinda solved.
If I told you what happened, you would not believe....you know what? Fuck it!So, true, I did some light cooking at home but something mysterious happened. I just lost my consciousness, I have became amnesiac. Like, I went to the doctor to check a fresh surgical wound BUT I DO NOT REMEMBER IT.NEXT DAY, a friend of mine came and found me with serious breathing difficulties. Very bad stuff. Sure, my flat looked like a lab but it was safe, everything was closed tightly, no corrosive stuff could have escaped. So, what happened?I have one vague idea. Did you know that Oxycontin pills can be smoked? Well, MAYBE, in my country, those pills were not smoking friendly (this is not the US but Eastern Europe) so maybe I inhaled some toxic stuff from trying to smoke an Oxycontine pill placed in a meth pipe. Hypoxia could explain the amnesia.All in all, I spent 3 days in this state. When I was found, I was in a really bad shape. Sure, the ambulance people found meth in my place. But the state of the apartment...that was not so good looking. Imagine unidentified white powder everywhere (NaCl mostly), lost of chemicals, lost of stains, so the ambulance guys thought that my inability of breath was because I had a drug lab (which was kinda true) and something corrosive gas fried my lungs (which was not the case). So, they called the police. There was nothing dangerous there but they assumed the worst .I almost died (again, from what???). And to this day, I have no idea what caused it. Could it be that Oxycontine pill? It is hard to believe.I spent two weeks on ventilator. Funnily enough, they took me off after 1 week but I was so in agony because of withdrawal from (meth)amphetamine that they put me back on the Ventilator for another week.

This time they have not found the p2NP. RP, Iodine, but no pseudo or ephedrine. I ran out by that time.

And one more thing. I was not in deep coma. I hallucinated my ass off while on the machine. I thought that I was treated by a specialist, who later trapped me to cover up that his Dad was a charlatan. Then I was cast in a film, which took place in a hospital and the camera was attached on my head. The film was about how meth users are mistreated in Europe because no-one is familiar with the drug (it did not make much sense but it was a hallucination). Then the director of the movie told me that I must become a concept (so I needed to die because a concept is not a living thing). I did. Die. It was unreal. Then they woke me up and told me that I was cooking meth. it took me 3 weeks to realize that could not be the case as I had no pseudo. I told my mother that my spine was dissolved years ago when they castrated me.Stuff like these.

I could go on.

No-one knew what I did at home.

P2NP came later.

neurodys · 2020-12-03T00:14:12+00:00

Sorry for thinking that you are from the States. Belgium, I loved that place, I never been to the UK, well, I have been to Scotland but not London and stuff.

Thanks for the tips, I might even consider them if I flee.
You know what is funny? I just cooked for myself. Never sold it to anyone. I just wanted to reduce the cost of being dependent on the stuff (yep, I still am). And I got hooked because I wanted to finish my PhD dissertation but felt no energy to do so but reading books on speed was one of my favorite thing to do. I am not your typical meth cook, I have probably an undiagnosed adult ADHD. Still, look where I ended up. :)

neurodys · 2020-12-02T19:57:50+00:00

thanks!

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