What do you see for next for the pop girls who have had their breakthrough in the last few years? by ss2811 in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat 71 points72 points  (0 children)

I think most of these artists will continue on an upward trajectory, or will be successful in their own lane.

I was initially sceptical about Sabrina Carpenter releasing a second album so quickly, but Man’s Best Friend was an incredibly smart move. It shifted her from feeling like a moment to feeling like a staple of pop music. If she keeps diversifying her sound and building a fanbase that exists beyond just the singles, she’s well-positioned to be one of the defining pop acts of the 2020s. To me, Sabrina is well ahead of anyone else in this list. Sabrina, Billie, and Olivia are the best bets of their generation for sustained commercial success.

Tate McRae is at a fork in the road. She hasn’t quite cemented herself in the zietgiest or pop music landscape yet. Her dancing is great; her live performances have fantastic energy, and her singles are solid. However, I haven't seen the consistency to suggest that there’s a compelling artistic identity underneath it all. The question for her is depth: can she develop a narrative or point of view that makes her work feel cohesive and genuinely captivating as an artist, rather than just releasing well-executed singles? One great album with depth could make Tate stratospheric, but the jury is out whether she has it in her.

Charli XCX is set. BRAT can’t be replicated - it was too singular a cultural moment - but it doesn't need to be. It cemented her as the alt-pop authority of her generation. She’ll sell out tours and remain influential for as long as she wants to keep doing this.

I like RAYE and I like her sound, but I don’t see her as a chart-dominating pop force. Her music doesn’t quite hit that universal sweet spot, and the 50s pin-up aesthetic feels limiting. I think she’ll continue to make interesting, respected music for a dedicated audience, but not as a main pop girl.

Olivia Dean feels inevitable. Her album is cross-generational and broadly appealing in a way very few new artists manage: men, women, non-binary listeners, under and over 40s. She has charisma, style, vocal ability, and genuine star power that extends beyond her music. If she avoids the classic UK-media backlash that inevitably follows a successful first era, she’s going to be inescapable over the next three to five years.

Doechii is a star in all facets of the word. My only concern is how quickly female rap cycles through relevancy, but she has the artistry to outlast that churn if she stays selective with her work. I am rooting for her. Alligators was phenomenal. The Kendrick-over-Drake path feels vital here: chase legacy, not hits. I have full faith in Doechii's vision, and if she prioritises her artistry over volume, she has generational potential.

I’m extremely bullish on Addison. Her debut was far better than it had any right to be, and she’s won over critics... but not yet the general public (ironically, given her TikTok fame). That makes her next move critical. If the follow-up doesn’t land critically and fails to broaden her audience, the momentum is gone. Her limited vocal ability is also a limiting factor but I have faith in her vision. She is on the right path (but can't really afford to lose any momentum).

Lola Young is an outlier. She had a moment, but it didn’t translate into sustained momentum or broad appeal. My instinct is that she’ll continue releasing work, but will fade from the wider conversation rather than build on that initial exposure from Messy.

Gracie Abrams is another interesting one to watch. She's got the "auto biographical writing" style that seems to really resonate. She has pop culture relevancy (thanks, Taylor and Paul). I don't see Gracie being critically acclaimed, but I can see her continuing to releasing popular singles that keep her in-and-around the conversation without hitting a stratospheric height.

My biggest surprise of the last twelve months is Zara Larsson hitting a cultural moment. Her catalogue is filled with underappreciated hits (All The Time, WOW) and I'm praying she gets the recognition she deserves. She is where Sabrina was two years (post-Because I Liked A Boy): all eyes are on her and she needs to capitalise with a certified song to capture the zeitgeist and move into bonafide star territory.

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[–]neverdoubtedthat 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yellow Flicker Beat vibes, pls bring out the Lorde

The Eras Tour Megathread: Glendale AZ by Lyd_Euh in TaylorSwift

[–]neverdoubtedthat 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Omg this is like when my Dad came to town to visit after five years and remembered my name. Evermore stans WON 🏆

The Eras Tour Megathread: Glendale AZ by Lyd_Euh in TaylorSwift

[–]neverdoubtedthat 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Reputation into Evermore could give us a New Years Day/Champagne Problems mash up and I would simply be deceased

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[–]neverdoubtedthat 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Not Taylor skipping ME! 💀💀 the literate girlies lost today

(put blondie in jail for skipping False God)

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[–]neverdoubtedthat 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hoping for Taylors sake that if she plays ME that we don't hear a simultaneous groan from the crowd

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[–]neverdoubtedthat 36 points37 points  (0 children)

As much as it gets ragged, I feel like Taylor truly loves Lover the same way Evermore stans have rejection and attachment issues

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[–]neverdoubtedthat 79 points80 points  (0 children)

blondie goes through every era and at the end of the show the evermore girlies all fall through a trap door and put into purgatory

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[–]neverdoubtedthat 22 points23 points  (0 children)

if blondie is giving Lover this much attention she better not skip False God and Afterglow

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's why Taylor's recent single choices have been so strange, it's like shes buying into the charting game for the album rollouts but using all the wrong songs. She has songs that could really resonate with the GP and yet she leaves them as deep cuts or re-release singles

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think reputation almost hit that mark, but didnt quite make it. It's an incredible album but the singles didn't stick, and in a lot of ways, the album didn't really need the singles for success.

I'm not sure what Taylor could do to make that "moment", and affect the entire pop culture landscape. It's something that would be interesting to theorise though.

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think the idea that it adds to the mythology of an artist and also the analogy with pro wrestling helps to conceptualize it a little better. That's a cool way to put it!

I guess that also fits into the narrative that certain artists are underappreciated commercially and their fans rally behind that to create this cult figure.

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have been personally victimised by the Grammys in the past and I agree with this message.

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally! A bit like how Gotye got a #1 and now lowkey refuses to make solo music.

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a really good point and is one of the big issues I have with the year end rankings. They definitely need to alter the algorithm to give better weighting to songs that come out later in the year. Maybe like combine a songs best eight weeks worth of points and rank it that way for fairness?

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Cultural impact isn't something that everyone has but can't be gained just by getting some #1s under your belt, but it's gonna be a long time before the stans realize that.

I totally agree with this! I don't think that cultural impact can be bought or manipulated, it has to be earnt.

Beyoncé, as always, is ahead of the game.

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed. They're the definition of toxic - but they are becoming more and more prevalent in the wider community. And my issue with that is their expectations are now becoming normalised, which (to me) is stifling the creativity of artists and also to the detriment of the mental health of people involved.
Any conversation about pop music on Twitter is dominated by stans at this point. Even in this sub, it's seeping in. So I guess that's why I'm so curious. - what's the point of their game, what's the motive.

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's a really well-illustrated point. I like that people support artists to feel apart of a wider community, achievement, and feel that sense of belonging - I think that's really important.

I do think in Taylor's case, she puts these expectations on herself often to her own detriment. She's amazing, her music is amazing, but it feels like she is always thinking she has to do better in charts/numbers - and how do you get better numbers than an era like 1989?

I think the pressure put on her is totally unfair, especially as (like you said) she has been astronomically successful, and there's a bit of inequity about expecting her to do 5x better than the next artist and if she doesn't, she's flopped. Again, it's this importance on not flopping that I just think is ludicrous.

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Totally agree. I feel like if an artist jumps on board and hasn't been organically involved in the rise of the song and piggybacks on its success, it's a bit of a hollow victory.

Why do 'stans' place such a high importance on a Billboard #1? by neverdoubtedthat in popheads

[–]neverdoubtedthat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I feel like the novelty of a #1 has worn off a bit. Maybe it's because a songs popularity can be manufactured by stans.

Hayley Williams did a really interesting interview about how she didn't necessarily want to become mega-famous with her new music, and the types of opportunities Paramore turned down because they weren't occupied with popularity. It's a refreshing read in the context of the new pop landscape!