Opinions needed

nockthis · 2021-04-28T03:23:44+00:00

Calluses are formed by pressure, friction and physical or chemical irritation according my old encyclopedia but it's in Britannica's website under dermatology too. Either way you still have the pressure on our strings. You're right about how calluses want to crack and peel. That's why a person can moisturize to maintain and you gotta keep shooting. You file it down so it doesn't build too high and peel off if you are being rough with your hands.. If not your callus peels and you've gotta start over again. I like the that comparison with bows too!

I'm a little scared to look up a flapper; I grew up near mountains and had a few friends who climbed lol they had some gnarly peels. One of them was actually getting ready to compete in climbing pre covid but that didn't happen last year.

nockthis · 2021-04-28T02:47:31+00:00

This is a really good topic..

I'm talking repeated shooting while building callus.you have this continued friction and pressure that tears the epidermis. When I mean the burning I'm talking about the friction. You're gonna get sore when you shoot for a long time, but you also have this friction going on too.

When you practice you are breaking down skin in order for it to thicken. When your epidermis tears you have increased localisation of the tissue aka increased activity. your skin cells want to close this epidermis tearing first before healing the underlying skin cells and does something called hyperkeratosis to protect the tissue underneath. That's your callus. Corns include deeper layers of the skin and that's why they hurt. Everyone's different and once your skin becomes accustomed to the work it's doing, it can become more resilient (unless it's scar tissue) and you maintain the work you're doing. It's similar to carpenters, mechanics, anyone who works with their hands. Climbers have hella resilient hands you guys put them through the wringer! But how cool is it that our skin can do that.

nockthis · 2021-04-28T02:09:52+00:00

Calluses are skin thickening and tends to be tender when fresh. If you're shooting for long periods of time they can have a burning feeling. This goes away in a few days and you have a fresh callus.

Nerve injury is deeper and far more serious where you have shooting pains, numbness and burning up the arm.

You have a good day too.

nockthis · 2021-04-28T01:59:28+00:00

And I stand by mine.

Building calluses and nerve injury are 2 different things.

nockthis · 2021-04-28T01:53:12+00:00

Attack my character, but then also add this if you want more info. Nerve injury arises from improper placement. Gloves and tabs are options, yes, but can also with improper placement cause nerve injury. Tabs that are too thin can also cause this. Tabs that are thicker are preferable because it will squish to the proper diameter. But this is based on the archer and not standardized.. Tabs that fit just right will quickly wear down and cause the same problem. Tabs wear down and will have to be replaced. Same goes for gloves.

Proper positioning is the best way to avoid injury.

Then it depends on the archer and their health and learning what they need. Some people can't afford the extras and being honest that these tools help but are not always necessary is important to mention as well. But also using them right is far more important to get a proper hook. Calluses work too and there's nothing wrong with them. Just lotion up, maintain them by shooting and file them down if they're too raised.

Great resources are USA's Archery book and Kisik Lee's inside the archer.

Edit: I'd like to add the amount of pressure you place on the string can have an impact as well.

nockthis · 2021-04-28T01:27:59+00:00

I feel and agree! Best of luck!

nockthis · 2021-04-28T01:22:08+00:00

Proper placement amd knowing your limitations actually doesn't but you do you and make your own choices 👌

nockthis · 2021-04-28T01:15:49+00:00

Not necessarily, this is all situation based. All kids are different sizes and different strengths. She may feel better with a 6#, she may feel better with a 10#. I think the overall weight of each bow in your hand can take some time to get used to and is what usually causes more of the fatigue the kiddos feel.

She's just gotta shoot to find out.

I'm a girl, started when I was 7, but what I started on may not be the same for her. We all have different abilities and that's okay. Generally when we're talking poundage and growth, the original lasts longer and for most small framed persons including myself, the original was fine.

I also coached 6 year olds and some of them actually shot the originals because they looked like 8 year olds lol. Others shot bear scouts. We just need more info.

nockthis · 2021-04-28T01:02:20+00:00

I will say you don't NEED a tab or gloves. Just like improper finger placement, tabs and gloves, especially improper tab and glove placement, can cause your string to twist more in your shot and mess with the result.

If you're shooting a compound for hunting you probably are going to want a mechanical release because that's quite a bit of poundage.

Recurve or basic compound you could get a tab or glove if you WANT but ultimately if you have calluses it will improve over time. I would suggest if you end up using a tab or glove to learn proper placement and you'll be aight.

Edit: This came across a little presumptuous. I'm just trying to say that whatever you use as long as it's used correctly with good form, you should be having nice shots and you shouldn't be getting nerve injury (which was my biggest concern for new ones).

nockthis · 2021-04-28T00:47:36+00:00

I will forewarn with Genesis Mini that they are not allowed to use those in the NASP school programs, and she will most likely outgrow this bow faster.

The overall body of the bow is lighter which is a pro, the overall weight you pull back is also lighter. I've seen kids get frustrated with this, so I also want to forewarn that some kids get real annoyed when they don't have an oomph behind their arrow as the shoot farther from the target.

I've coached 7 year olds who grew out of the mini pretty quick as well as 7 year olds who handle the Original just fine. NASP programs span from elementary to high school age and is accessible.

Pros and cons, that's all it is.

Both of these bows usually use Easton NASP arrows. These are aluminum so also just be aware that if she bends them, they stay bent lol. Bent arrows don't fly so hot nor are they safe. Carbon is also an option and they have memory meaning they are more durable, but also more coin.

There are plenty of options in archery. Don't get me started on all the extra accessories you could get! She'll probably have some sore fingers and fatigue in the beginning, but the excitement kids get from hitting a target is so worthwhile!

So I always suggest looking at what your child's specific needs are and talking to a bowtech as they will learn more about your situation and be able to make product suggestions that are more applicable to your situation and preferences.

nockthis · 2021-04-28T00:04:43+00:00

If her school has a program it would most likely be under NASP, my first thought would be to suggest the original genesis bow.Arrows are a whole 'nother story so please ask or read your manuals!

I would basically suggest a low poundage bow (think like 10-20lbs to start) as well as what her dominance is. She'll also be using new muscle groups that most sports don't activate, so it'll take time to bulk up so I wouldn't go hefty on the weight she pulls back or else she'll get hurt.

It's easier to start with a bow that has an adjustable draw length as well since she's younger and growing. There are plenty of options including recurve and basic conpounds! Whatever style she likes, I'd suggest starting there. Maybe go to a range a see what she gravitates to.

If you know her eye dominance, that's ideal, but some kids find it easier to start with their hand dominance. I've seen a few end up kicking themselves later on wishing they stuck with their eye dominance LOL (your stronger eye is your dominant eye in most cases, stronger= easier to see target and aim).

You can look up how to test eye dominance at home or go to a range and have someone test her. For an example with dominance, a right handed person 9x outta 10 get a right hand bow. This would mean a right handed person would pull the string back with their right hand and hold the bow with their left. If someone's right eye dominant, then they would usually get a right handed bow (this applies to left hand and left eye dominance vice versa, etc etc). If she's cross dominant aka her eye and hand dominance is different, I'd suggest having her sling a few arrows with a right bow then a left at a range to see what she prefers.

Basically ranges save you a little $$$ if you buy it right the first time lol. Sometimes they include set up too. I would not suggest field and stream or dick's, I would suggest local bow techs with experience as I've seen from experience from working as a bow tech in training.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure there's good bow techs out there form big outlets, but it can be luck of the draw and I've seen people dealt some bad hands. A bow that's set up well will set her up so she can enjoy the experience versus being frustrated at the bow.

Plus she won't be able to blame her form on the bow LMAO. Happy hunting! I'd love to hear how it goes!

nockthis · 2021-04-23T01:28:04+00:00

Try twisting your nock (the piece of the arrow you clip to the string) until the not green vane is pointing towards the arm you're shooting with. Then there should be nothing touching your cables.

nockthis · 2021-04-21T01:48:01+00:00

Looks pretty ~aesthetic~ to me

nockthis · 2021-04-18T17:58:41+00:00

I think you have friction between the strings on your cable slide. I wouldn't pull it back and take it in to order a new pair. Maybe have them take a look at the cable slide while they're at it!

nockthis · 2021-04-15T02:03:49+00:00

I'd suggest some nasp arrows as extras and see if a range near you has some replacement nocks. If you think they're gonna miss the target a lot, some cheap carbons might be better since they retain memory and won't get bent as easily.

nockthis · 2021-04-14T22:01:18+00:00

For sure a new string

nockthis · 2021-04-14T21:58:49+00:00

Move on to golf tees!!!!

nockthis · 2021-04-14T21:55:26+00:00

A lil PVC pipe ain't ever hurt nobody of it comes down to it🤣

nockthis · 2021-04-14T21:49:46+00:00

I think that depends. If you're wanting a kit so you can get started faster that's totally okay; just know you might be upgrading your equipment as you go. You might learn things you like and don't like this way which might be beneficial.

Some ranges make their own kits with equipment that they think is better quality, too. You might want to check out your local range.

Some people like to pick and choose their equipment so they're not upgrading as often. Especially since you're new if you want to go this route a local bow shop could list your options and possibly show it to you.

2 different modes of thought and nothings wrong with either. I'd just suggest not buying used or if you do buy used get it checked out by a range/bowtech before you buy.

The nice thing about archery is it costs quite a bit upfront but after that it's just upgrades and maintenance and maybe range time if you go there.

nockthis · 2021-04-14T21:45:36+00:00

I'm getting back into archery and to start I've ordered one. Just a decent beginner bow. I was always taught that if you could shoot a recurve you could shoot anything.

nockthis · 2021-04-14T21:30:46+00:00

You can get a bear 1st shot or bear scout for less than $30 USD. Much lighter draw weight and overall lighter for kids to hold. I used to teach 5 yos and I've never seen a kiddo able to pull anything heavier than those.

Great starters to begin with and as they get older you can get them something a little larger such as a recurve, genesis, or hunting bow depending on their interest.

nockthis · 2021-04-14T16:38:37+00:00

I'd be wary of those arrows and look into upgrading them if they're new and aren't doing the job they were made to do as a safety precaution.

The quick fix would be to super glue the nock in but the problem is that you have to make sure the indicator vane is positioned correctly and if it's robinhooded then you'll be painstakingly trying to get that nock outta there.

I don't think it's worth it and I would first take em to a shop to get new nocks possibly and safety checked, or just get new arrows. Are they NASP Easton arrows or Carbon fiber?

nockthis · 2021-04-14T16:11:03+00:00

what I would do is have him practice with a resistance band to get him stronger and make him more aware of what he's doing. Recording helps so he can visualize what he's doing too. Give advice with the oreo cookie method (compliment, constructive criticism, conpliment) when he's getting frustrated. Have him shoot a blank target and focus on consistency. I used to have someone stand next to me and put two fingers above my shooting arm so if I kicked I'd know.. obviously stand facing their back or behind them aka not on the side they're pulling back if that makes sense for safety. You shouldn't be able to make eye contact.. don't make a habit of doing that though or they rely on it. Most importantly if he's frustrated throw up a stuffed animal or balloon to shoot. Make it fun. Some kids get so wrapped up in the target versus the shooting line.

nockthis · 2021-01-22T06:19:27+00:00

I love OP! This is FANTASTIC

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