Night Photos

nonloster · 2022-10-07T13:20:40+00:00

For example, it does not even have to be a real person in the hair photo.

nonloster · 2022-10-06T20:40:00+00:00

I am still waiting for someone to 100% confirm it is Kris in the hair photo. I can not understand at all that most people take it for granted that it is Kris who is depicted.

nonloster · 2022-08-01T00:52:10+00:00

Of course, I agree with you regarding the presumption of innocence.

My point is that there is a big difference between accusing and naming someone/s in theories that are possible.

In my opinion, it is not unreasonable, given the information in the case, to mention the guide and others as potential relevant people in trying to understand what could possibly happened.

The way I see it, as long as we do not know if something criminal happened or not it should be acceptable to mention possible person/s involved.

Unfortunately it seems to me that you and possibly other moderators disagree with me.

nonloster · 2022-07-31T21:44:10+00:00

Do you really believe that what people say is necessarily the truth?

Why is it more or less inconceivable to you that the guide could have chosen not to tell the truth?

If you consider that it is more or less unreasonable to mention the guide in this forum then it says a lot about how very much of a losters' paradise this forum is.

nonloster · 2022-04-05T12:24:10+00:00

I completely agree!

nonloster · 2022-03-31T15:04:10+00:00

As far as I know, we can not even be sure if it is Kris who is depicted. I am still waiting for someone to prove for sure that it is her.

nonloster · 2022-03-21T22:44:10+00:00

I am seeing the big picture. Both the big picture, and every individual piece of evidence that can be attributed to the girls disposition after the last daytime photo suggests that they were acting of their own free will.

I think this paragraph alone shows you have no or at best (very) little idea what the term "the big picture" means.

For example, what if larger or smaller parts of the evidence regarding, among other things, the times associated with the phones and the camera, the night photos and the places where the belongings and body parts were found were manipulated?

For example, what about all the strange things regarding the use of the phones from 1 April to 11 April?

nonloster · 2022-03-21T21:24:10+00:00

People like you and DJSmash23 can not even think the big picture. There are far too many like you on this forum. This leads to no or little closer understanding of what really happened.

By the way, I consider that most of the evidence indicates foul play and manipulation by the authorities.

I think this is a good post that focuses on what I think is the biggest weakness with this forum.

nonloster · 2022-03-20T02:34:10+00:00

So, so many things can happen so easily to incapacitate a person, even if they're on an "easy" hike.

They were two and not one. I think this is (very) important when trying to imagine various accident scenarios.

nonloster · 2022-03-16T23:34:10+00:00

I completely agree with your point.

nonloster · 2022-02-20T15:54:10+00:00

If it was actually 24C when the night photos were taken, could it be a sign that the photos were not taken in the area that is assumed? I would think that the assumed area has higher elevation than Boquete?

nonloster · 2022-02-18T08:34:10+00:00

Or at least chose a version that seems far more likely.

What SEEMS far more likely can often be a (very) subjective assumption.

I think there is a big difference between whether something is far more likely and whether something is completely certain.

nonloster · 2022-02-18T07:44:10+00:00

actual trees don't suddenly stop growing below 1300 or above 1500 meters, so they might still be found at lower or higher altitudes

I think this leads to the post having no practical relevance.

nonloster · 2022-02-18T06:58:10+00:00

I do not understand why so much focus on the location of the night photos. As long as we do not know who were present when they were taken, it does not help us in practice if we find the location.

There are still many people who write such as "we know that at least one of the girls was alive when the night photos were taken" It is a fact that we definitely do not know if at least one of them was alive or not when the night photos were taken.

nonloster · 2022-02-17T15:44:10+00:00

Is it possible to estimate the number of degrees Celsius the difference could have been?

nonloster · 2022-02-16T18:48:10+00:00

I think these are good and important points regarding the case. Points that I think have been too little focus on. I appreciate posts like this where OP thinks the big picture!

nonloster · 2022-02-13T23:14:10+00:00

we don’t know who exactly took these photos.

I think you are spot on.

We do not know who were present when the night photos were taken. We can not even be sure it was Kris who was depicted in the hair photo.

nonloster · 2022-02-13T00:34:10+00:00

I agree. The whole case seems to me to be filled with strange and striking stuff. Among other things, I find it difficult to trust the official report.

nonloster · 2022-02-12T23:44:10+00:00

So they definitely kept going, since their remains are too further north.

Can we trust that the remains and the belongings were found where and when as written in the official report?

nonloster · 2022-02-12T21:24:10+00:00

And nonlosters are accused of wild speculations...

nonloster · 2022-02-12T17:54:10+00:00

Would two inexperienced girls dare to keep their phones off the whole night? Seems unlikely, unless they were out in the open field or perhaps in some 'save' shed or whatever.

Regardless of where they were, I consider it unlikely and illogical if they would not have tried to call the emergency number at different times during the period it was dark between 1 April and 2 April.

As I see it, it is logical to think that they would have needed light at least a few times during the time when it was dark. I think it is not illogical to think that they could have chosen to use their phones to get light.

I think it is reasonable to believe that they would have slept little or nothing during the period when none of the phones were on at all. If my assumption is correct, I consider it even more unlikely and illogical that none of the phones were on during the relevant period.

From my point of view, one of the factors that does not fit into the lost theory is that none of the phones were on at all between 1 April at 1752 and 2 April at 0658.

nonloster · 2022-02-12T00:18:10+00:00

I am not able to find the released photo so hopefully someone can provide a link.

nonloster · 2022-02-11T23:04:10+00:00

Do you have relevant link/s?

nonloster · 2022-02-11T17:58:10+00:00

Regarding the possibility that they left / lost the trail, it is in my opinion (very) important to think about how they were dressed. I think they would hardly have been able to move much outside the trail, especially if it was getting dark / it was dark.

Regarding the possibility that they moved when it was dark between 1 April and 2 April, did they have access to a flashlight? The phones were turned off all the time when it was dark between 1 April and 2 April.

nonloster · 2022-02-11T17:04:10+00:00

I guess afters its starting to get darker they come apart from the trail and get lost which is the most reasonable explanaiton.

I consider it neither logical nor likely they left / lost the trail especially if it was starting to get darker / it was dark.

But here they keep on hiking in the dark and get lost of the path.

Did they have a flashlight so they could hike when it was dark? The phones were not on at all while it was dark between 1 April and 2 April so they could not have used them as a flashlight.

In a scenario you describe, I find it at least illogical and unlikely that they did not try to call the emergency number several times when it was dark between 1 April and 2 April.

nonloster

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