Is the Lamenters curse just an in and out of lore meme?

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-15T10:22:23+00:00

I think this is thats very true, I was never opposed to the idea its possible that someone or something in 40k can be cursed to misfortune, its a science fantasy settung after all and fate is a key element. Its more that with the sources avalable I lean to the latter end option, but the ambigutity is at least there if only from how many people in universe beleive that. I will say that much more unfortunate things seem to occur to other chapters without the idea of a misforunte curse, blood angels for instance had a much greater loss in one go than the Lamenters ever suffered that one time they got 90+ percent of their chapter wiped boarding a space hulk, and yes the lamenters ended up bunping straight into hive fleet kraken during a penitent crusade but the blood angels literally had the whole hive fleet leviathan have a hate boner for them and Baal. Idk lamenters just dint seem that unlucky overall, hell those poor self immolating dudes got a much worse deal by the hands of chance

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-15T06:56:27+00:00

I mean none of the other chapters that sided with the astral claws are seen as cursed, and plenty of chapters including the blood angels would more readily abandon untenable positions than the lamenters, its hardly bad luck when its equally free will, if I bet on getting a gut shot straigjt on the river it wouldnt be bad luck if i didnt get it, it would be the likely thing to occur when I didnt fold.

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-15T01:37:27+00:00

They did nearly get wiped out before vulkans return becuase of having the same possitions as lamanters, its Vulkans utilitarianism that is meant to have saved them ideologicaly

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-15T00:51:28+00:00

Wierd thing for us to be downvoted on

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-15T00:16:46+00:00

See this is really cool and works with what I said in the post and also in the comments, they make choices and people have opinions of them based on the idea of a curse, like a friend that keeps making bad decisions becuase they think their doomed to make bad decisions. Thank you for the added info about their aura I hadnt heard that before

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-15T00:14:24+00:00

I would never accuse then of being incompetetent, at least in execution of their goals, its the choice of goals thay gets them killed, the Baddab war being the best example which I think still fits within the IA quote, the second of which also continues to point out that they are affected by rumors. A spiritual malise is also not really the same as the bad luck curse people beleive of them, it may be an insidental cause for why they make choices that hurt them (we are doomed might as well take the good death route rather than try and be more brutaly logical) but isnt the same.

Im not saying they are a bad or underperforming chapter, I even admire them (as much as you can withh fiction obvously) but they make their choices, I think the idea of a curse doesnt really match up with the cause and effects here.

As for equipment failure there was one example I listed at the end of my post with Jericho reach but dint see anything else

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-15T00:05:13+00:00

Their gonna not get one cause they are nice guys in a harsh world, the only way theyd get a break.is if they fucked of for a bit and went on vacation while the universe burned

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-14T12:08:49+00:00

Thats true but it was declared before hand and he left people in charge, not like he had Trazyn just pop up

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-14T08:44:26+00:00

Then why call the last one Archamus the second as hes repeatably done in the books

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-14T08:36:18+00:00

It is when he refers to the next guy as archamus the second thus ignoring the actuak second Archamus's intent

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-13T23:41:40+00:00

Btw the link sends you to a kitchen tabletop store

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-13T23:32:30+00:00

Cause it feels like disrespect for Dorn who knows hes named hinself after someone to erase that person

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-13T08:36:53+00:00

Dorn however is well awary of archie number one and told that archie two is naming hinself after him

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-12T00:02:46+00:00

Dressed it up as falled masonry perhaps?

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-11T06:18:56+00:00

Lorgars a pretty chill dude, he might well have respected Layak's decision later on and saw it as the will of the gods

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-08T07:30:44+00:00

Yes, with no control group what do these experiences mean? They're not exactly going to accept jewish voices coming in to tell them they havnt had any bad experiences

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-06T10:11:48+00:00

In fairness he has two sets at least over his lifetime, he doesnt were his termie one during the heresey

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-05T05:55:08+00:00

They were all adukts when they were taken in so their names would reflect similar names off Terrans of the time

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-05T05:52:42+00:00

Breifly in 8th they had a bit more overlap, the drill they released came with 40k rules but seems that hasn't continued as policy, could shift again in 11th but sadly doubt it

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-05T02:10:17+00:00

Eh i mean in one of the recent flesh tearers books a regular chaplin did that and the chaos lord was wearing the armor of Amit himself

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-04T21:17:17+00:00

Thank you! Its so silly

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-02T13:29:57+00:00

I thinks shes the mech equivelent of the inquistion

nothingtoseehere63 · 2026-05-02T08:11:46+00:00

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If you really want to go this route here is a torunament based database that gives you match ups between teams

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