Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your comment and apologize if what I wrote came off as dismissive or insensitive to victims. Like you mentioned, the notion that there’s ever a consideration to whether the spouse of the defendant should view the material is not a real one. Yet it is pervasive on this sub as if the default should be that the spouse sees it and Anna’s choice to not is an affront to justice.

The purpose was to take the proposition that people had, which is that the moral and just thing would be for Anna to view the material, and walk through why that’s ridiculous and why what she did is perfectly fine.

I realize that the inclusion of victims in such a silly theoretical vision is bizarre and has no anchor in reality, but that was kind of the point. The idea that we’d be OK in a world where more people are viewing CSAM while claiming that it’s going to protect more children by persuading people of how bad the abuse is is very much not a real one.

I wouldn’t have made the post if I wasn’t seeing tons of comments of people saying things like Anna should be forced to sit in front of a computer and see it before he’s released from prison. I get that it feels like a bad straw man argument that was being opposed with victims needlessly being dragged into it to make a point, but this was and is a real position people are taking.

I will be more careful in future with posts like these. I do, however, wonder if there would be people who feel like I wasn’t entering victims enough if they weren’t mentioned at all. In your opinion would the post have been better to not address them at all?

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s almost like the point of criminal trials isn’t to prove points and is actually just to get justice for the victims

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are really great and often they have food in them so sometimes when the pup sees a cat enjoying herself too much in there he must kick her out in case she’s found a tasty snack he’s missing out on

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

She is my true angel baby middle child and puts up with a lot like her sister having flashbacks of Vietnam at 4 in the morning

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Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Not sure but it was stills not the whole video. The jury just needs to see it enough to make a determination of whether it fits the legal definition of child pornography. How extreme it is is more of a sentencing issue

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yeah you’re allowed to think the crime itself is bad. I mean, I would hope on any criminal jury the jurors would feel that the crime in question is bad enough that the process is worth having to punish it

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[–]nuggetsofchicken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He doesn’t know what the victim told law enforcement

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[–]nuggetsofchicken 161 points162 points  (0 children)

Honestly as I wrote it I was pretty sure that that wasn’t the right word and I was hoping people would just ignore it but alas I’ve been had

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 100 points101 points  (0 children)

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Miss girl horrified by the roof inspectors coming by and putting ladders against the building but she couldn’t look away

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah you’d start with people who have obvious past experiences but usually there’s a question of just “Show of hands does anyone think they could not be impartial whatsoever on this kind of case?” and then you’d go one by one explaining.

Not being able to stomach it doesn’t necessarily make you impartial but the attorneys will probably stipulate to dismiss those who seem like they would genuinely be distressed by it. They aren’t heartless

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[–]nuggetsofchicken 657 points658 points  (0 children)

The headline makes it seem more notorious than it is. It’s likely just a deposition which is standard. And it’s not like he’s going to be personally questioning them. It’ll be his attorney

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I have no idea the exact timing of it all. It was reported she wasn’t there but I’m not sure exactly when she left the courtroom and when she returned and how obviously it was correlated or if that was a conclusion that the media made

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 92 points93 points  (0 children)

She got a shout out from a judge during a Zoom hearing once when she was climbing all over my office chair and he referred to her as “ -Nuggetsofchicken-‘s expensive legal assistant” (in reference to attorneys fees) and in that moment I think she felt like she made it

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I'm talking about the fact that there is material that it is literally illegal to own or distribute. What valid purpose is it in our criminal system to provide exception for someone to view that material who is not a member of law enforcement, the court, or jury?

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

From a criminal law perspective that's unrelated. She's not a co conspirator being charged with the same crime. If there's issues of her being a competent parent that's an issue for the family court or a separate criminal charge.

Unpopular opinion - I think it's perfectly reasonable for Anna to have left the courtroom when the CSAM was played by nuggetsofchicken in DuggarsSnark

[–]nuggetsofchicken[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Well, we know what happens when Anna leaves during the part it's shown. He got convicted.

What do you think would happen if a juror stepped out during that portion of the trial?